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Don't know if this is any help - but interesting reading anyway. But it only covers the younger players and the older players - not the middle ones - although they could be accessed by changing the year. Going to be a lot of work anyway, but possible.

tennisabstract.com/reports/rankingsByAgeWta.html

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I forget there's all that extra stuff lurking in the corners of TennisAbstract. They clearly have the DOB's... I may be able to use that. Thanks.
I'll aim for next weeks 'Strongest Nation' update to put something together.

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The outlier in Perth is due to a SE (Maddison Inglis)



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The outlier in Perth is due to a SE (Maddison Inglis)


 What is happening in the Curitiba draw, how do two non-seeds have rankings so far ahead of seeded players?



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A combination of things:

Tamara Zidansek is the first case, in the data I downloaded, she has two lines of data, one as a seed, one as a non-seed. She should be a seed, I've deleted her non-seed line, and adjusted the chart.
I didn't conceive that this duplication was a possibility. I've checked for other duplicates with some formulas, but can't see any others.

Fiona Ferro is the second case: Was 285 at time of the seeding, but 248 in the rankings produced after the seeding was made. So, her ranking at time of play is correctly as shown.
She just got unlucky, and Melanie Stokke, the eighth seed, got lucky to hold on to that spot.

Here is the updated Curitiba chart with the Zidansek situation corrected
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There is a debate to be had over whether the chart should show the ranking upon entry, when the seeding was made, or when the matches were actually played.
I wanted the latter, as those are the rankings we would use when we quoted CH best wins, and seems to me to more isefully reflect the true strength of the field.



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Is this ranking page any good?

openerarankings.com/

It seems to have dates of birth and be in one long list - there is an ATP and WTA page. May not be what you need but it is one I just came across?

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I'm guessing that the rankings are current rankings, which aren't the ones that seeding is based on. Fiona Ferro is WR285 on the acceptance list, but currently WR248

Edit - Got distracted on the phone, so posted late !



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Is this ranking page any good?

openerarankings.com/

It seems to have dates of birth and be in one long list - there is an ATP and WTA page. May not be what you need but it is one I just came across?


The site looks very good. Never seen it before. I don't like the interface, but the actual information it displays looks really useful once you get over the presentation.
I'll test how this data comes out when I download it. Thanks for the tip.



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I'm guessing that the rankings are current rankings, which aren't the ones that seeding is based on. Fiona Ferro is WR285 on the acceptance list, but currently WR248

Edit - Got distracted on the phone, so posted late !


Phone call aside, you had the answer before I did



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JonH wrote:

Is this ranking page any good?

openerarankings.com/

It seems to have dates of birth and be in one long list - there is an ATP and WTA page. May not be what you need but it is one I just came across?


 Nationality is in a picture rather than text: that may make it tricky to use if country is a discriminator.



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Is this ranking page any good?

openerarankings.com/

It seems to have dates of birth and be in one long list - there is an ATP and WTA page. May not be what you need but it is one I just came across?


 Nationality is in a picture rather than text: that may make it tricky to use if country is a discriminator.


Yes, I'd have to run a lookup to match the names against another list, to populate the nations, which is not ideal, but is better than what I currently do.
But, you can output the entire list from 1-2000 in one go, which just about makes up for that, as exporting one file each week to sweep for new additions isn't too bad. The data doesn't paste in raw form too badly either, it's pretty useable right from the get go.

There is some great data on this site, and great functionallity, it's just laid out really badly, which is a shame, as they're selling themselves short by their presentation.
For example, if you dig in to the individual player breakdowns, you can see all the entries, when they drop, what needs to happen for non-counters to be eligible, how uniform the players points distribution is (are they week-to-week consistent, or dependent upon a few massive scores at big events) and how that compares to other players, and so on.
All really interesting, and useful stuff, with loads of options to tailor results when you figure out what's there.
An excellent find. Thanks



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A combination of things:

Tamara Zidansek is the first case, in the data I downloaded, she has two lines of data, one as a seed, one as a non-seed. She should be a seed, I've deleted her non-seed line, and adjusted the chart.
I didn't conceive that this duplication was a possibility. I've checked for other duplicates with some formulas, but can't see any others.

Fiona Ferro is the second case: Was 285 at time of the seeding, but 248 in the rankings produced after the seeding was made. So, her ranking at time of play is correctly as shown.
She just got unlucky, and Melanie Stokke, the eighth seed, got lucky to hold on to that spot.

Here is the updated Curitiba chart with the Zidansek situation corrected
hWhnBNr.png

There is a debate to be had over whether the chart should show the ranking upon entry, when the seeding was made, or when the matches were actually played.
I wanted the latter, as those are the rankings we would use when we quoted CH best wins, and seems to me to more isefully reflect the true strength of the field.


Yes, many thanks for the explanation blob. I thought indeed in the latter person, it was probably someone who had advanced in the present rankings and therefore now outranked a player using the previous week's rankings, but in the first instance I knew that couldn't be the case. I also agree its better to show current rankings rather than those when the seeding was conducted.



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blob wrote:
christ wrote:
JonH wrote:

Is this ranking page any good?

openerarankings.com/

It seems to have dates of birth and be in one long list - there is an ATP and WTA page. May not be what you need but it is one I just came across?


 Nationality is in a picture rather than text: that may make it tricky to use if country is a discriminator.


Yes, I'd have to run a lookup to match the names against another list, to populate the nations, which is not ideal, but is better than what I currently do.
But, you can output the entire list from 1-2000 in one go, which just about makes up for that, as exporting one file each week to sweep for new additions isn't too bad. The data doesn't paste in raw form too badly either, it's pretty useable right from the get go.

There is some great data on this site, and great functionallity, it's just laid out really badly, which is a shame, as they're selling themselves short by their presentation.
For example, if you dig in to the individual player breakdowns, you can see all the entries, when they drop, what needs to happen for non-counters to be eligible, how uniform the players points distribution is (are they week-to-week consistent, or dependent upon a few massive scores at big events) and how that compares to other players, and so on.
All really interesting, and useful stuff, with loads of options to tailor results when you figure out what's there.
An excellent find. Thanks


 my pleasure , glad to help. To be honest all I did was Google tennis rankings with dates of birth or some such and up it came! 



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BTW, I was checking live rankings on coric, and realised that I had quite a few columns turned off - one of which was D.O.B

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Age related comparisons and all country comparisons will take at least another week. Sorry.

In the meantime, please enjoy the same old stupid charts as ever:

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