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Coup Droit · Tennis legend

NY Times article, though, describes how Berrettini bulked up deliberately as a teenager and young man, working with his coach to put on muscle to increase power and be more aggressive.

www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/sports/tennis/wimbledon-matteo-berrettini-semifinals.html

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Tennis has definitely evolved into a sport which requires a complex interaction of physical components; so I guess it would be beneficial for each player to determine which factors have most influence their performance and design an individual training program?

Whilst waiting for Joe and Harriets doubles match to start, I caught a bit of Jack P-Js match and thought he looked absolutely shattered, especially compared to his opponent. Looked like he was struggling to serve and he even threw in an under arm serve. Wondering if fitness/stamina and match schedule had an impact on the final outcome?

the addict · Tennis legend

Jack played one match on Thursday lasting 2 hours, the first match on Friday was just over an hour, and the second lasted 2 hours. Fitness must have played a part, as he ought to have been able to manage that schedule.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
Jack played one match on Thursday lasting 2 hours, the first match on Friday was just over an hour, and the second lasted 2 hours. Fitness must have played a part, as he ought to have been able to manage that schedule.

Unless it was injury - shoulder? Hence, the serve problems?

Or even illness

Coz injury can make you look 'shattered', even if it's not fitness. As of course can illness.

And he did withdraw from the doubles

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Luckily the withdrawal doesnt seem related to injury - * are the new quote marks wink

Pinnington Jones admitted that his tank was empty down 1-4 in the third.
*My body was struggling a bit in my second round match, and I knew it was going to be a big ask, two matches * said Pinnington Jones. *That's why I withdrew from doubles yesterday.*

http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2021/07/banerjee-and-lilov-reach-wimbledon-boys.html

flamingowings · All-time great

Not LTA specific really but goes with some discussion above about female players and period's; Katy D is mentioned in this article:

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/16/sport-science-body-to-track-female-athletes-hormonal-changes-linked-to-menstruation

PaulM · Tennis legend

Gosh, it is a little worrying that Katie's eating habits weren't picked up as potentially problematic much earlier by those around her, but it's great she's been able to be part of this study and is making the slow route back to recovery. Very much miss watching her compete, always fun to watch on court and capable of so much.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Gosh, it is a little worrying that Katie's eating habits weren't picked up as potentially problematic much earlier by those around her, but it's great she's been able to be part of this study and is making the slow route back to recovery. Very much miss watching her compete, always fun to watch on court and capable of so much.

Absolutely. It's horribly worrying that neither her team nor her parents seemed to know or be taking action to see why her periods had stopped for that length of time. It's not healthy or normal. Over exercise and lack of nutrition is a very common cause of amenorrhea (periods stopping) and carries lots of health risks.

So glad that she is being treated properly now. And that this study is looking at all aspects of female athlete's hormonal health.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Copied from Mens Discussion Section - County Cup

Oakland wrote:
It is what it is a throw back to the good old days of amateur tennis, a tournament many top youngsters enjoyed and go back to while at college, on the British tour or after they have committed to coaching, I just wish it would be expanded a bit into the local communities from each regional centre. Its history gives it a status that could be utilised to embed competitive tennis into the communities a bit more.
I liked the way Ojai works as the end of season tournament for the PAC-12 (probably similar standard to Group 1, although Emily usually did very well unlikely to win all her rubbers if playing No 1) but it also sits on top of a wider mass participation community tournament, community colleges, fiercely competitive age group, vets & open tournaments Brings the best players committed to the local tennis industry from across California.

2019 Born2WinTennis wrote:
I did this last year too, players from Men's Div One County Cup, apart from County Cup, they played as follows.

54% of them played Team Tennis (this is reasonable I think)
39% of them played British Tour (reasonable)
30% didn't play any other singles tournament this year to date (shocking)
26% only played County Cup and Team Tennis (shocking)
22% of them played another form of singles tournament registered on the LTA website (shocking)

These stats are just a snapshot of how poor the tournament scene is in the UK, so many of our best players simply don't play.

2019 Team Tennis British Tour Other
1 Ryan Peniston Essex y y y
2 David Wright Essex y
3 Francis Sargeant Kent
4 James Davis Kent y
5 Matthew Summers Kent y y
6 Sean Thornley Kent
7 Neil Bamford Hertfordshire y
8 Henry Patten Essex y
9 George Coupland Hertfordshire y
10 Charles Broom Hertfordshire y y
11 Jack Macfarlane Middlesex y
12 Joshua Paris Middlesex y y
13 Jordan Angus Middlesex
14 Matthew Hough Suffolk
15 Marshall Tutu Essex y
16 Robert Carter Essex y y
17 Joshua Page Middlesex
18 Jeremy Cowley Suffolk
19 Ben Jones Suffolk y y y
20 Lewis Burton Kent y
21 Edward Corrie Hertfordshire
22 James Ling Suffolk
23 Christopher Lewis South Wales y
24 Tiarnan Brady South Wales y
25 James Story South Wales y
26 Matthew Kirby Suffolk y
27 Oscar Cutting Suffolk y
28 Thomas Higgins Essex y
29 James Markiewicz Kent y y y
30 Richard Wire Essex y
31 Luke Simeone South Wales
32 Callum Findlay South Wales y y y
33 Alexander Groves Essex y y y
34 Robert Searle Kent
35 Ryan Lambert Suffolk y
36 Joel Cannell Essex
37 Craig Evans South Wales
38 Nicholas Brookes Kent
39 Neil Roskilly Hertfordshire
40 Louis Newman Middlesex y y
41 James Wilkinson Hertfordshire y
42 David Stevenson Hertfordshire y y y
43 Danny Flynn South Wales y y y
44 Joseph White South Wales
45 Simon Harston Essex
46 Alistair Filmer Kent y y
47 Andrew Burgoyne Kent y y
48 Harper Mills Suffolk y y y
49 Matthew Brooklyn Middlesex y
50 George R Davies Middlesex y y y
51 Damian Nzekwu Middlesex y
52 Jake Penny Hertfordshire y
53 Luke Milligan Middlesex y

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Interesting thought Oakland - IMO the LTA could definitely use the Summer County Cup to do as you've suggested. Come on LTA take a look at what others are doing (and IMO doing it better!)

In order to rejuvenate the Ojai event in 2002, they began offering prize money which in 2018 was $30,200 split equally between male and female competitors.

"However the Ojai is still about mixing technology and tradition. So while youre checking out the latest results from the Mens Open, stop by the Tea Tent. A tradition that began in 1904, the Tea Tent serves complimentary tea poured from silver urns into delicate china cups. Since the 1930s, theyve also offered freshly-squeezed orange juice, sourced from fruit grown in the Ojai Valley. And dont forget about the cookies!"

The Ojai Tennis Tournament has always been about history, traditions, and community involvement.

https://california101guide.com/the-ojai-tennis-tournament/

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Regarding the UK govt.'s £22m payment to boost tennis court maintenance and access - looks like Mike's not overly impressed

Mike Dickson
@Mike_Dickson_DM
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There's no doubt this is a great result for British tennis. Also worth pointing out that any 'investment' from the indebted UK government comes from the hard-pressed taxpayer (which already supported the wealthy LTA with £1.2 million of furlough money during pandemic.)

Spireman · Strong Club Player

I saw yesterday that finally players on lta system have world tennis numbers for both doubles and singles. This has been in the offing for about 2 years and is a bit like utr. It's the itf sorting it out in partnership with lta, usta and various other national organisations. It is to replace lta rating, which was prone to manipulation, also players getting a high rating when young and sort of resting on their laurels and getting in tournaments ahead of probably some stronger players.
The wtn scale uses upto last 4 years results, presumably weighted towards recent ones, though there isn't much detail out there. Scale from 1.0 (top male pro) to 40.0 (beginner). For example Andy M is 1.7, Emma R 3.2 etc. Won't matter to anyone with any world ranking but I think mainly it will be used for entry to British tours instead of rating. The ones I've looked at really do seem in same order very much as utr, so they could have used that, but would have had to pay I suppose. One difference is utr uses games but wtn only sets, so a 6-7 6-7 is quite good on utr for loser and a 0-6 0-6 isn't, but on wtn they are treated equally. Wondered if anyone has any thoughts?

wolf · Tennis legend

I don't know anything about it but surely anything has to be better than the old system. Are they going to get rid of the rating altogether at some point?

I'm a 17.6 singles and a 14.4 doubles!

Spireman · Strong Club Player

wolf wrote:
I don't know anything about it but surely anything has to be better than the old system. Are they going to get rid of the rating altogether at some point?

I'm a 17.6 singles and a 14.4 doubles!

That's not bad! I'm 20.4 doubles, off the bottom of singles scale as haven't really played singles for years, though am now tempted to see if I can get up the scale a bit.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Spireman wrote:
I saw yesterday that finally players on lta system have world tennis numbers for both doubles and singles. This has been in the offing for about 2 years and is a bit like utr. It's the itf sorting it out in partnership with lta, usta and various other national organisations. It is to replace lta rating, which was prone to manipulation, also players getting a high rating when young and sort of resting on their laurels and getting in tournaments ahead of probably some stronger players.
The wtn scale uses upto last 4 years results, presumably weighted towards recent ones, though there isn't much detail out there. Scale from 1.0 (top male pro) to 40.0 (beginner). For example Andy M is 1.7, Emma R 3.2 etc. Won't matter to anyone with any world ranking but I think mainly it will be used for entry to British tours instead of rating. The ones I've looked at really do seem in same order very much as utr, so they could have used that, but would have had to pay I suppose. One difference is utr uses games but wtn only sets, so a 6-7 6-7 is quite good on utr for loser and a 0-6 0-6 isn't, but on wtn they are treated equally. Wondered if anyone has any thoughts?

Guess like any system, it needs accurate data and a certain number of match results to provide an accurate rating.

Some info: The WTN uses the Glicko-2 method for rating calculation, which allegedly has features in common with UTR. There is an assigned system constant , , and an initialisation parameter. Glicko-2 uses a scale of 0 to 1 for match performance.

There is a WTN Presentation on the ITA website

WTN will include results from USTA, ITF and some ITA (no results from UTR tournaments)
The scaling was done with 1 being highest to support some sanctioning bodies using WTN for rankings
4 years of data will be used for initial rating and then phased out in favor of more recent results
Results from higher class events will be weighed more towards your rating. So results from a L1 tournament will influence your rating more than a L3. (This is a global thing and USTA has the option to weigh all tournament equally)
Match format weights:

Juniors will get profiles first
USTA is considering if WTN can replace NTRP but there are no immediate plans
No timeframe for rollout

More information:

https://www.itf-academy.com/?view=itfview&academy=103&itemid=1127 free sign up

https://www.lta.org.uk/play-compete/competing/player-ratings-rankings/world-tennis-number/