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I had more been thinking this week and next looked good ones for potential advancement for our women and getting more towards that recent 190.1 high again with just Heather defending points this week and Jo next week and plenty in action.

And already in plus territory this week with 6 of our top 10 still involved ( 4 yet to play and an all British clash meaning one advancenent anyway ) I certainly hope we can go a fair bit further forward yet. As you say so far +14 to 1944 on openerarankings. Not a hang on week anyway.

After these 2 weeks our top 10 women have absolutely nothing to defend in the week beginning 20/08 though there probably won't be much relative action either ( at least to count that week ) with US qualies on.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 8th of August 2018 12:43:41 AM

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I had more been thinking this week and next looked good ones for potential advancement for our women and getting more towards that recent 190.1 high again with just Heather defending points this week and Jo next week and plenty in action.

And already in plus territory this week with 6 of our top 10 still involved certainly hope we can go a fair bit further forward yet. As you say so far +14 to 1944 on openerarankings. Not a hang on week anyway.

After these 2 weeks our top 10 women have absolutely nothing to defend in the week beginning 20/08 though there probably won't be much relative action either ( at least to count that week ) with US qualies on.


To make a big move in the womens would need #8-10 to get big rises - which can't happen. #1-7 are all under 200 (which is nice), but limits any upward movement.

In the mens only JC, LB and JW can score and LB is currently -42 places. Would be very nice if one or more was to go deep.

Last week a lot of countries gained places by losing less than those around them.

I'm hoping both mens and womens will be positive at the end of the week biggrin

 



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In the long term yes re the #8 to #10 positions having potentially much more effect, indeed certainly much more effect with ours for the same points rises if we could get them moving forward, particularly our #9 and #10. In the short term we certainly can make big enough moves forward with the rest to get under a 190.0 average ( with this a likely positive month ), building further on the pretty big average move forward this year that has been built off our #4 to #8 ( or at least what was #4 to #8 for a long time before Katie B advanced further ).



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 8th of August 2018 09:55:20 AM

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In the long term yes re the #8 to #10 positions having potentially much more effect, indeed certainly much more effect with ours for the same points rises if we could get them moving forward, particularly our #9 and #10. In the short term we certainly can make big enough moves forward with the rest to get under a 190.0 average ( with this a likely positive month ), building further on the pretty big average move forward this year that has been built off our #4 to #8.


For upward movement in the GB women's #9 and #10 positions it's going to be dependent on which players currently in the 11-15 positions come through. Maia has been poised there all year, and will move up to within 1 pt of Tara next week, but nevertheless has made limited progress this year and at Chiswick seemed to be carrying an injury. I hope this is a consolidation period though as she is still transitioning to 25ks, and will resume her upward progress subsequently. In the positions behind, Beth, Fran, Jodie, and even Lissey a bit further back, I hope will make further progress in the coming months too. Perhaps Sam too, though her year has been stop start. Eden and Freya are also there, but have shown limited improvement this year so far, though perhaps Freya has been more encouraging the last few weeks.  



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I must admit a tad more hanging on than I was anticipating with the women but I was expecting rather more ( and longer ) appearances on court in Landisville! Still openerarankings has our women's total live figure at 1950, up 8 overall with +13 coming from Jo and Katie B combined in Montreal. So they should end with a little forward movement.



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In the womens BEL are approx. 1917 and SVK 2100 - so a slight closing on BEL and a bigger cushion with SVK.

The mens is gatting very close approx totals

             LW      NW
AUT    2535    2539
GBR    2674    2655
CZE    2696    2684
BEL    2733    2678
CRO   2770    2837

with GBR/BEL/CZE 2650-2700 -  so JWs run in China has been vital.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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ATP        August        August       
                  6th            13th        Tot +/-
                       
1    FRA    453    FRA    451    1    2
2    USA    456    USA   470    2    -14
3    ESP    491    ESP    495    3    -4
4    GER    803    GER    816    4    -13
5    ARG    891    ARG    908    5    -17
6    ITA     905    ITA     922    6    -17
7    AUS    1064    AUS    1065    7    -1
8    SRB    1444    SRB    1451    8    -7
9    RUS    1652    RUS    1608    9    44
10    JPN    1739    JPN    1736    10    3
11    CAN    1974    CAN    1979    11    -5
12    AUT    2535    AUT    2543    12    -8
13    GBR    2674    GBR    2644    13    30
14    CZE    2696    BEL    2683    14    50
15    BEL    2733    CZE    2689    15    7
16    CRO    2770    CRO    2843    16    -73
17    BRA    3080    POR    3020    17    71
18    POR    3091    BRA    3112    18    -32
19    NED    3451    IND    3467    19    0
20    IND    3467    NED    3471    20    -20
21    SVK    3656    SVK    3548    21    108
22    CHN    4373    CHN    4029    22    344
23    TPE    4552    TPE    4768    23    -216
24    KOR    4789    KOR    4814    24    -25
25    UKR    4846    UKR    4898    25    -52
26    SUI    5084    SUI    5045    26    39
27    SWE    6011    SWE    5949    27    62
28    CHI    6028    CHI    6094    28    -66
29    COL    6075    POL    6402    29    -265
30    POL    6137    BLR    6408    30    71
31    BLR    6479    COL    6418    31    -343
32    ISR    6658    ISR    6758    32    -100
33    ROU    6734    ROU    6883    33    -149
34    HUN    6795    HUN    6949    34    -154
35    KAZ    7068    KAZ    6951    35    117
36    SLO    7816    TUR    8718    36    -845
37    TUR    7873    SLO    8822    37    -1006
38    RSA    9145    RSA    9154    38    -9
39    UZB    9843    UZB    10031    39    -188
40    EGY    10501    MEX    11196    40    -65
41    MEX    11131    THA    12615    41    -19
42    FIN    12556    EGY    99999       
43    THA    12596    FIN    99999       

GBR do enough to hold 13th thanks to JW. 15 movers including 2 dropping out.



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WTA        Aug        Aug           
                6th        13th                Tot +/-    Major Movers
                           
1    USA    385    USA    386    1    -1   
2    RUS    637    RUS    649    2    -12    Ekaterina Alexandrova down 13 to 112 drops out of top 10
3    CZE     815     CZE    813     3    2   
4    ROU   976      ROU    990    4    -14    Elena-Gabriela Ruse down 49 out of top 10
5    CHN    1038    CHN    1024    5    14    Lin Zhu up 14 to119 at #7
6    GER    1106    GER    1074    6    32    Laura Siegemund up 36 to 146 at #7
7    AUS    1239    AUS    1236    7    3   
8    UKR    1434    UKR    1421    8    13    Olga Ianchuk up 18 to 317 at #10
9    FRA    1446    FRA    1451    9    -5   
10    ESP    1486    ESP    1518    10    -32    Paula Badosa Gibert down 13 to 184 at #6
11    JPN    1770    JPN    1793    11    -23    Misaki Doi down 13 to 240 at #8, Risa Ozaki down 10 to 249 at #10
12    ITA    1804    ITA    1876    12    -72    Jessica Pieri down 32, Jasmine Paolini down 21, Deborah Chiesa down 22
13    BEL    1915    BEL    1918    13    -3   
14    GBR    1958    GBR    1956    14    2    JK+4 KB+8 HW-6 NB-4 HD-2 GT+1 KS-1 KD-1 LR= TM+3
15    SVK    2071    SVK    2175    15    -104    Chantal Skamlova down 81 to 497 at #10
16    SUI    2349    SUI    2358    16    -9   
17    POL    3078    POL    3087    17    -9   
18    CRO    3098    CRO    3107    18    -9   
19    SRB    3486    SRB    3440    19    46    Ivana Jorovic up 32 to 213 at #4
20    BLR    3515    BLR    3503    20    12   
21    NED    3598    CAN    3520    21    162    Leylah Fernandez up 151 to 579 at #9. Francoise Abanda and Rebecca Marino also up
22    CAN    3682    NED    3572    22    26    Merel Hoedt up 27 to 777 at #10
23    HUN    3824    HUN    3856    23    -32   
24    BUL    4357    BUL    4365    24    -8   
25    SLO    4532    SLO    4527    25    5   
26    TPE    5018    TPE    5096    26    -78    Hua-Chen Lee down 49, Pei Hsuan Chen down 28
27    TUR    5163    TUR    5204    27    -41    Ayla Aksu down 40 to 335 at #5
28    BRA    5318    BRA    5295    28    23    Carolina Alves up 35 to 456 at #3
29    SWE   5423    SWE   5460    29    -37    Linnea Malmqvist down 40 drops out of top 10
30    IND    5492    IND    5502    30    -10   
31    KOR    5965    KOR    5962    31    3   
32    THA    6046    THA    6103    32    -57    Watsachol Sawasdee down 34 to 912 at #10
33    ARG    6102    ARG    6130    33    -28    Carla Lucero down 27 to 813 at #8
34    ISR     7913    ISR    7917    34    -4   
35    UZB    8220    UZB    8237    35    -17   
36    POR   9889    POR    9926    36    -37  

 



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ATP        August        August       
                  6th            13th        Tot +/-
                       
1    FRA    453    FRA    451    1    2
2    USA    456    USA   470    2    -14
3    ESP    491    ESP    495    3    -4
4    GER    803    GER    816    4    -13
5    ARG    891    ARG    908    5    -17
6    ITA     905    ITA     922    6    -17
7    AUS    1064    AUS    1065    7    -1
8    SRB    1444    SRB    1451    8    -7
9    RUS    1652    RUS    1608    9    44
10    JPN    1739    JPN    1736    10    3
11    CAN    1974    CAN    1979    11    -5
12    AUT    2535    AUT    2543    12    -8
13    GBR    2674    GBR    2644    13    30
14    CZE    2696    BEL    2683    14    50
15    BEL    2733    CZE    2689    15    7
16    CRO    2770    CRO    2843    16    -73
17    BRA    3080    POR    3020    17    71
18    POR    3091    BRA    3112    18    -32
19    NED    3451    IND    3467    19    0
20    IND    3467    NED    3471    20    -20
21    SVK    3656    SVK    3548    21    108
22    CHN    4373    CHN    4029    22    344
23    TPE    4552    TPE    4768    23    -216
24    KOR    4789    KOR    4814    24    -25
25    UKR    4846    UKR    4898    25    -52
26    SUI    5084    SUI    5045    26    39
27    SWE    6011    SWE    5949    27    62
28    CHI    6028    CHI    6094    28    -66
29    COL    6075    POL    6402    29    -265
30    POL    6137    BLR    6408    30    71
31    BLR    6479    COL    6418    31    -343
32    ISR    6658    ISR    6758    32    -100
33    ROU    6734    ROU    6883    33    -149
34    HUN    6795    HUN    6949    34    -154
35    KAZ    7068    KAZ    6951    35    117
36    SLO    7816    TUR    8718    36    -845
37    TUR    7873    SLO    8822    37    -1006
38    RSA    9145    RSA    9154    38    -9
39    UZB    9843    UZB    10031    39    -188
40    EGY    10501    MEX    11196    40    -65
41    MEX    11131    THA    12615    41    -19
42    FIN    12556    EGY    99999       
43    THA    12596    FIN    99999       

GBR do enough to hold 13th thanks to JW. 15 movers including 2 dropping out.


 some v weird stuff happening in the men's with 29 out of 43 countries dropping their average  and virtually all in lower half of the table. The losses add up to many more than the gains. Does that mean most of the corresponding gains are in fact hidden eg countries like USA having lots of success last week with their lower ranked players?



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"some v weird stuff happening in the men's with 29 out of 43 countries dropping their average  and virtually all in lower half of the table. The losses add up to many more than the gains. Does that mean most of the corresponding gains are in fact hidden eg countries like USA having lots of success last week with their lower ranked players?"

Maiinly because of countries dropping out  Also due to a lack of tournaments - lower ranked players with points coming off but nowhere to play. Also there are several countries with only 10-12 players - losing 1pt is a serious hit.

This is not a "weighted" table - Keep meaning to do one for Mens and Womens - will get to it eventually - but don't hold your breath.

 



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The men should hold 13th place again this week thanks to DE. Approx. rankings.

                LW    +/-     NW
12 AUT    2543    3      2540
13 GBR    2644    12    2632
14 CZE    2689   -10    2699
15 BEL    2683    -80    2763

It will be very close  in the womens - but we should pip Begium for 13th.

                    LW    +/-    NW
12    ITA     1876    -16    1892
13    GBR    1956    -7     1963
14    BEL    1915    -54   1969
15    SVK    2175    13     2162

 

 



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And maybe Dan and Heather can improve further this week...

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JonH wrote:

And maybe Dan and Heather can improve further this week...


 Yes, thanks to Heather the women are now +26-22=+4 this week on live rankings, Heather herself is +17, with her final still to come.  



-- Edited by Michael D on Sunday 19th of August 2018 09:25:59 AM

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ATP        August        August           
                 13th           20th        Tot +/-   
                           
1    FRA    451    FRA    444    1    7   
2    USA    470    USA    479    2    -9   
3    ESP    495    ESP    527    3    -32    Ferrer drops out of top 10
4    GER    816    GER    815    4    1   
5    ARG    908    ARG    889    5    19   
6    ITA      922    ITA    915    6    7   
7    AUS    1065    AUS    1065    7    0   
8    SRB    1451    SRB    1425    8    26   
9    RUS    1608    RUS    1619    9    -11   
10    JPN    1736    JPN    1749    10    -13   
11    CAN    1979    CAN    1974    11    5   
12    AUT    2543    GBR    2589    12    55   
13    GBR    2644    AUT    2651    13    -108    Haider-Maurer drops out of top 10
14    BEL    2683    CZE    2704    14    -15   
15    CZE    2689    BEL    2768    15    -85    Cagnina and De Loore down
16    CRO    2843    CRO    2835    16    8   
17    POR    3020    POR    2938    17    82   
18    BRA    3112    BRA    3083    18    29   
19    IND    3467    IND    3427    19    40   
20    NED    3471    NED    3442    20    29   
21    SVK    3548    SVK    3463    21    85   
22    CHN    4029    CHN    3992    22    37   
23    TPE    4768    KOR    4631    14    183   
24    KOR    4814    TPE    4919    15    -151   
25    UKR    4898    UKR    4919    25    -21   
26    SUI    5045    SUI    5014    26    31   
27    SWE    5949    POL    6099    27    303   
28    CHI    6094    SWE    6151    28    -202   
29    POL    6402    BLR    6272    29    136   
30    BLR    6408    CHI    6359    30    -265   
31    COL    6418    COL    6531    31    -113   
32    ISR    6758    ROU    6791    32    92   
33    ROU    6883    ISR    6891    33    -133   
34    HUN    6949    HUN    6891    34    58   
35    KAZ    6951    KAZ    6954    35    -3   
36    TUR    8718    TUR    8630    36    88   
37    SLO    8822    SLO    8908    37    -86   
38    RSA    9154    RSA    9210    38    -56   
39    UZB    10031    UZB    10007    39    24   
40    MEX    11196    MEX    11248    40    -52   
41    THA    12615    THA    12737    41    -122   

 

 



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