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Well, Bob, Evan Hoyt has duly answered the call of duty and will sweep into the top 500 in style

It's true that we've got a big bunching of players in the 550-850 region - I think there are currently 20 men pretty much in that chunk of the rankings.

Now a couple are going in the wrong direction (Ed's retired, Tom Farq's schedule is always pretty much part-time), certain players like Ryan have serious injury issues, and some will be playing a limited schedule because of college.

But it's still a big batch of players, all young as you say, who are all well-placed to make that leap. Several of the youngsters and college players are not completely ranked as it is, without even taking into consideration the improvement they're going to make.
And then some of the others outside of this range also have the potential to join them.

It certainly seems a bit rosier than it has for a while.....

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Coup Droit wrote:

Well, Bob, Evan Hoyt has duly answered the call of duty and will sweep into the top 500 in style

It's true that we've got a big bunching of players in the 550-850 region - I think there are currently 20 men pretty much in that chunk of the rankings.

Now a couple are going in the wrong direction (Ed's retired, Tom Farq's schedule is always pretty much part-time), certain players like Ryan have serious injury issues, and some will be playing a limited schedule because of college.

But it's still a big batch of players, all young as you say, who are all well-placed to make that leap. Several of the youngsters and college players are not completely ranked as it is, without even taking into consideration the improvement they're going to make.
And then some of the others outside of this range also have the potential to join them.

It certainly seems a bit rosier than it has for a while.....


It will be very interesting to see how the new rankings format will affect those in that 550-850 region. 



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Yes, I put up the shadow ranking link and strongbow had done an excellent thread with it.

But, to be honest, although it's fascinating to try and get one's head round, it's not the short-term transfer over that really matters: what will be really interesting is to see where we are in a year/two years time. Will the players of this level still have access to the ladder? Just me, but I'm feeling more optimistic about it, for some reason

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Coup Droit wrote:

Yes, I put up the shadow ranking link and strongbow had done an excellent thread with it.

But, to be honest, although it's fascinating to try and get one's head round, it's not the short-term transfer over that really matters: what will be really interesting is to see where we are in a year/two years time. Will the players of this level still have access to the ladder? Just me, but I'm feeling more optimistic about it, for some reason


I agree totally.  I was talking "numerically" in my comment but in the end, the talent will always shine through and you can put whatever system you want in place but the best players will always climb to the top.  Personally, I don't see the new system making much difference at all.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Sunday 7th of October 2018 08:44:21 AM

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Looking purely at the short-term, Bob, it's also worth noting that the vast majority of the names you've listed have got very few, if any, points to come off by the end of the year.

The Drapers, Loffhagens and McHughs obviously have none because they weren't playing adult events last year.

But most of the college/uni boys weren't playing pro events either. So Jack F-H, Mark Whitehouse and Samm Butler have no points to defend.

Ryan Penniston only has one point to come off by year-end.

Even Andy Watson only has 3 and Luke Johnson 4 to drop off.

Furthermore, none of these players is up to his full set of counters yet.

And all these players are down to play quite a few events in the next few weeks, at least.

So the potential upside is looking sunny

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Add in the other top 200 juniors Jacob, Connor, jake, Harry, Blu plus the Junior DC boys and that is a critical mass of youngsters who will all at some point gave a shot at futures with the expectation of at least dipping below 500 over the next 5-6 years. Henry Pattern, Julian Cash will also both surely have a crack.

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Let's be realistic. Some of the guys mentioned are not ready for top 500 yet.
If they don't make top 500 by the end of the year then they need to start winning challenger matches as the tours split. I only see a handful of those named capable of winning at challenger level.

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Being realistic 20 players in the top 500 is a pipe dream but there appear to be more players coming through at 15,16 and 17 on the mens side than there has been in recent times, as a bench mark to make top 500 the standard is as good as Neil Pauffley, with the same sort of commitment shown by Neil and that is not a given, I am more optimistic than I have been at any time this decade.



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 8th of October 2018 05:27:37 PM

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Hijacking this thread slightly to keep track of the big bunching just behind the top 500 that's suddenly going in the men's tennis, as talked about above.

Evan is now top 500. Jack Draper will be next week.

So that's 11 (although includes Alex Ward who's retired)

But that leaves 18 players ranked 580-880

And, of those, only a few are non-contenders at the moment (Ed's retired, Ryan Storrie's just had an op, Paul Jubb is in college)

All the rest are actively playing.

The George/Aidan/Finn youngsters could suddenly go on a roll (just a matter of time for George, in particular).

All the college/uni boys are undernanked - they don't even have their full set of counters (and nothing to defend)

A couple of the 'old-timers' are not actually as old as all that (Neil P, Brydan)

It's true that Jonny G and Billy are a little more worrying - seem to have hit a wall (and have points coming off).

But it's certainly interesting times - feels far more like a 'healthy' pyramid, at least at this part of it.

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Coup Droit wrote:

Hijacking this thread slightly to keep track of the big bunching just behind the top 500 that's suddenly going in the men's tennis, as talked about above.

Evan is now top 500. Jack Draper will be next week.

So that's 11 (although includes Alex Ward who's retired)

But that leaves 18 players ranked 580-880

And, of those, only a few are non-contenders at the moment (Ed's retired, Ryan Storrie's just had an op, Paul Jubb is in college)

All the rest are actively playing.

The George/Aidan/Finn youngsters could suddenly go on a roll (just a matter of time for George, in particular).

All the college/uni boys are undernanked - they don't even have their full set of counters (and nothing to defend)

A couple of the 'old-timers' are not actually as old as all that (Neil P, Brydan)

It's true that Jonny G and Billy are a little more worrying - seem to have hit a wall (and have points coming off).

But it's certainly interesting times - feels far more like a 'healthy' pyramid, at least at this part of it.

 

Slightly different then from our women where we have all of 2 women in that 580-880 range ( none in between 517 and 793 )

In the current rankings between GB # 20 EWS WR 517 ( and great to be so close to 20 in the top 500 - currently 16 ) and GB #23 Tiffany William WR 916 we have Ella Taylor WR 793 and Emma Raducanu WR 828.

So a relatively strong top 8 including a good group of relatively young players, then a whole batch of players from around WR 400 to the low 500s and then a bit of a void with not many clear prospects other than Emma ( all very quiet re Holly Fischer? ). Certainly currently well behind the young men pros and college players in that regard. 

There was that good crop that have came through and progressed on to these GB top 8 positions or at least top 10 contendors such as Maia and 18yo Fran. But recently the cupboard has got rather bare on the girls front for whatever reasons. The lIsts have certainly got extremely divergent.



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That gap with the women is because of the lack of 15k women's events in the UK.

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That gap with the women is because of the lack of 15k women's events in the UK.


 

Certainly must be a real factor and quite a lot has been written here about the disincentive of that awful lack of 15Ks.

I'd still say a worrying lack of emerging talent but these that are trying to take initial steps have not been helped by such limited home opportunities. And if not really top level prospects could at least be more occupying that ranking void rather than some clearly giving up the ghost. 

And it all doesn't help encourage the next generation such that some that might have had real potential maybe never even really start on the road. Climbing a pyramid looks more appealing than a skyscraper with no safety net.



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Ok, let's just start with this list of women college players in the US, Indy. Emily Arb has a ranking, although she's had a poor summer, and so does Nell Miller at the bottom. But none of the others do, including Eden, even though she qualified in a 100k tournament.
Then for British Universities, CD has a list of male players who've all done well in recent tournaments, but there is no equivalent list for women... because nearly all these tournaments were 15k ones in which the players shone. I don't want to overstate my case, since I don't know enough about the respective abilities of all these players, but I'm sure there are a few that have the ability to fill that gap in the rankings between 517 and 793. Emma Raducanu is the first that will bridge it of the current players who have a rank, but yes, the cost of the lack of a decent pyramid system in the UK is definitely showing here.

Singles
24 - Emily Arbuthnott - Stanford
38 - Eden Richardson - Louisiana State
46 - Lauryn John-Baptiste - Arizona State
81 - Megan Davies - South Carolina
123 - Holly Hutchinson - Old Dominion

Dubs
3 - Emily Arbuthnott - Stanford
7 - Eden Richardson _ Louisiana State
8 - Lauryn John-Baptiste - Arizona State
22 - Millie Stretton _ Maryland
39 - Megan Davies - South Carolina
53 - Nell Miller - Texas Tech

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One of those stats that doesn't fit anywhere but is interesting nonetheless:

20th ranked ATP player by selected country



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We all got very excited a while ago, that Bob's 20-in-50 goal was getting very close - and then it all went the wrong way ....

And we've been pottering long at around 13 or 14 or so for a while, with nothing really looking as though it was going to change.

And that's where we are now, but with prospects looking even more bleak.

We currently have 13 men in the top 500.

But that includes:

Lloyd (now doing only doubles?),
Brydan (still playing?),
Evan (injured),
James Ward (AWOL?)

So that's 4 who 'shouldn't' be there, and several of those right on the cusp of going out.

Of those threatening to replace them, i.e. close to the top-500, there's:

Aidan (not looking very likely, although at least he's playing)
Mark W. (ditto)
Luke Johnson (ditto)

Paul Jubb - should do it, no problem
Anton Matusevich - again, should be top 500 without too much problem if he plays
Stuart Parker - well possible, on current form
Billy - maybe, not that far off

So there's one 'likely', one 'quite likely', one 'well possible' and one 'possible'....

The rest of the top 1000 are most definitely on the reserve bench and, I assume, are doing other things (Jack F-H, Toby Martin, Jonny Gray, Andy Watson, Ryan Storrie). Only George Loffhagen is another top-1000 player who is playing and might make a sudden run.

Of those outside the top-1000, there are several that I'd pick for being good shouts for the top-1000 quite soon (not saying it'll happen but they're easy picks):

Arthur, Felix, Alexis Canter, Oscar, Max Andrews, Harry W, Ali G....

But they're hardly top-500 .....





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