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I'm pretty confident the girls will pass the boys and get to 16 quite easily.
EWS, Sam Murray, Maia and Eden should get there in the next three months. After that it is more difficult - Laura Sainsbury and Jodie Burrage are the best short term options(assumes Jodie is not off to college)

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OK, provisionally 10 British guys in the top 500 and 20 in the top 800 on Monday week may seem rather far from 20 in the top 500 and it is.

BUT, I see more light than for a while. There has been quite a bit of churning in and out of the British top 20 in recent times and the lower reaches of the top 20 are now pretty full of quite upwardly mobile players. May they march on upwards together.

After our top 14 ranked who will be on 50 points or more, provisionally for 14/08 :

15. Tom F : 36 points ( 29 added in the 4 months since mid April )
16. Richard G : 32 ( 23 )
17. Jonny O'M : 32 ( 3 )
18. Ryan S : 27 ( 25 )
19. Billy H : 24 ( 14 )
20. Jonny G : 23 ( 16 )

After what was a very quiet first few months of the year down the British rankings there has certainly been much more life of late very much including many of the above.

Additionally outside the top 20 can of course be added the returned and now winning James Ward who'll surely be moving on up towards much higher pastures again and such as Joel C and Josh P who have gone rather off the boil this year but can come again. Oh, and some Oli Golding chap has turned up in Belarus



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Good stuff, Indy.
As you say, there's been a positive air about the lower ranked men these past few weeks (and some of the higher ones too )

True there's only 10 GB in the top 500 for poor Bob, but James Ward and Alex Ward should be slamdunks to join them; Marcus Willis could any moment he felt inclined to (he's got his Kuwaiti win to defend but that's all), Bambo has his doubles agenda but his results in singles has also picked up recently, Neil is there or thereabouts...

And on your list above, not sure quite what Tom's plans are (or possible injury status) but Ryan is only a matter of time (and hopefully not too much), Jonny G and Billy have been moving very steadily in the right direction, for Jonny O it seems a scheduling matter, and Julian Cash seems a very likely contender for the top 500 whenever he and his uni days give him a few months of tournies to string together.

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Just to re-boot the thread, but I don't see anytime soon the men getting 20 in the top 500. The women however have a much better opportunity.

On the Women's side there are 12 inside the top 500 and none realistically look like falling out(Tara Moore's fortunes must improve soon).Of the rest, the following are shoo ins over the next few months:

Sam Murray
Emily Webley Smith
Maia Lumsden
Jodie Burrage

So four more to find - Eden Silva has the ability, if she would play more tournaments. Fran Jones is going in the right direction and Emily Appleton has the ability and has turned full time. Eleanor Dean would be a candidate of we could get a full season(highly unlikely), but the best of the rest may be Laura Sainsbury, but she seems to be long term injured. I would suspect that Alicia Barnett, Suzy Larkin and Beth grey are stuck in the 600-800 bracket.

On the men's side - there are only 10 and of those 10, there are question marks over Dan Evans(awaiting confirmation of ban length) and the ageing players like Corrie, Murray and Bedene

For the remainder - Alex Ward and Oli Golding are going to happen if they stay fit and play regularly.
The rest are hopefuls - it is quite hard getting from 550-700 to under 500:
Neil P - hovering for a long time, potential is there, but doesn't seem to sustain
Willis - will he play regularly?
Bambo - becoming doubles specialist
O'Mara - becoming doubles specialist
Gabb - ability is there, fitness is an issue
Tom F - ability if we get a full season
Gray/Storrie/Harris/Cannell - may get there, but it may take a bit of time
J Ward - will get there if he decided to return after the latest injury


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While I agree with quite a lot of what you say and a long time ago I was saying that the women were more likely than the men to get 20 in the top 500. I still think that  ( though in the fairly long term as a possibility ) though, as I set out in my previous post, the last few months have looked a bit better for the men with more upwardly mobile players moving into the top 20 ( we have 20 in the top 786 ) and James to come back.

However some specifics I would really question. No-one, apart from your mention of Tara, in the top 12 realistically looking like falling out - what about Freya? She has 96 points and 61 ( net 59 ) due to drop off by the end of October, 30 off these by the end of September. Add no points at all and she would then have 37 points. Maia on 39 points is currently WR 601. Freya has shown little form for quite a long time. She may have been playing while affected by some injury niggle relation, but that is far from clear. She is due back in Egypt next week, week 38, and it will be interesting to see how she performs. She has clearly real ability and has been in the top 500 for a while. But short term she may well fall out of the top 500 and longer term there are no guarantees.

Not sure either about your shoo-in list. I've stuck up for EWS at times over many years and there is much to admire about her. But a shoo-in at this stage, just no. Sam a yes, if she stays fit and well, Jodie very probably, Maia pretty likely ( though may by be more than a few months for Jodie and particularly Maia ) and Em actually pretty unlikely and as I say no way a shoo-in. Maia is at that full counter around top 600 stage when she needs to get better replacement results to push on and many don't. I think she will, especially still so young, but it's not a given.



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Depends on EWS's priorities now. This year, she has been prioritising her doubles ahead of her singles. Now her doubles ranking has dropped, will she revert to singles and start playing some 15k's again.
From what I saw in Manchester, she would cruise through 15k level and pick up the necessary points.

Sorry, I forgot about Freya - that is a risk. Lets hope her trip to Egypt bears fruition, but a fully fit Freya is top 500.

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Freya had a wrist injury. (Left wrist, I believe). It was being managed, I think, for quite a long time, and finally had to be dealt with.

But I think she's pretty much OK now. Fingers crossed. So hopefully will be able to make up the lost ground no problem.


Freya ChristieVerified account @Freya_Christie Aug 31

The feeling of hitting backhands for the first time in a while!!! The wrist is on the mend

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Good to hear. Freya may fall down the rankings in the short term but hopefully we will see her consolidating back well within the top 500 and beyond before too long.



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Yes. She's withdrawn from Egypt this week though.

Sam Murray has also withdrawn and, although I'm a great fan of Sam's, I don't think she's a shoo-in either - she's played quite a lot of tournaments this year, about 15 in the last few months.
And not managed to get back in the top 500.
I know she's been targeting the slightly bigger events but I'm not sure she's going to mess around too much with 15ks and the 25ks should be attainable and the fact that she hasn't managed to chalk up sufficient wins is a bit concerning.

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indiana wrote:

Good to hear. Freya may fall down the rankings in the short term but hopefully we will see her consolidating back well within the top 500 and beyond before too long.


 Freya's withdrawal is confirmed as being an ongoing problem with the wrist....cry

Seemingly there's been some setback....

 



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Just 12 men in top 500
Evo will drop out for a short time, Glasspool has not progressed this year and Tom F may be back at Uni next year.

I don't see too many breaking into the top 500 - James Ward, Gray, Storrie, Harris, Gabb.
Golding and Willis could if they decided to have a proper go.

The girls are different however
Just 12 women in the top 500
Mandy Carreras will drop out with her wrist injury and Tara is out of form, but I've no doubt Eden, Maia, Jodie, EWS, Freya and Beth will all get there shortly. The other prospects will be Emily Appleton and Fran Jones. The best of the rest are Alicia Barnett and Laura Sainsbury - I don't see anyone else yet who has a chance of getting anywhere near.

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I would add Evan Hoyt to the mens list if he can stay fit. He is someone who is as motivated as ever despite all his setbacks.

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paulisi wrote:

Just 12 men in top 500
Evo will drop out for a short time, Glasspool has not progressed this year and Tom F may be back at Uni next year.

I don't see too many breaking into the top 500 - James Ward, Gray, Storrie, Harris, Gabb.
Golding and Willis could if they decided to have a proper go.

The girls are different however
Just 12 women in the top 500
Mandy Carreras will drop out with her wrist injury and Tara is out of form, but I've no doubt Eden, Maia, Jodie, EWS, Freya and Beth will all get there shortly. The other prospects will be Emily Appleton and Fran Jones. The best of the rest are Alicia Barnett and Laura Sainsbury - I don't see anyone else yet who has a chance of getting anywhere near.


Yes, certainly generally much better prospects of additions to our top 500 players in the women and hopefully within the next few months.

EWS is the one that I remain doubtful about in the immediate queue of six, but maybe if she can pick up some points in India and / or make a pretty good start at least to 2018, before 19 points come off over the end of February / beginning of March, she can get back into that top 500.

The only two players not either currently top 500 or mentioned in paulisi's post in a very clear top 23, ranked 758 and better, are Suzy Larkin WR 704 and Emily Arbuthnott WR 714. Emily will no doubt be working off a very limited schedule again next year, but no doubt she would hope that say a similar schedule would produce a higher ranking next year. Laura Sainsbury is #24 at WR 962, and she will hopefully remain fit and maybe at least push up towards Alicia and Suzy.



-- Edited by indiana on Friday 8th of December 2017 12:01:14 PM

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Congratulations to Eden Silva who enters the top 500 at a CH 499.

She may not have played a pro tournament this season but it was good results towards the end of last year that got her very close and other points changes have taken her across that line.

With Aljaz out of the equation we now have 11 men and 13 women in the singles top 500s.



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Maia will shortly bring the total up to 14 GB women in the top 500 singles. Freya is not too far short, too.

Emily A has made it 15 women within top 500 doubles, with Maia, Olivia, Daneika not far outside.

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