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RE: Top 500


I know this isn't top 250 or top 500-related, but with Ryan Peniston rising to 200 today after making the final in Ostrava, I believe (*) this is the first time for more than 26 years that GB has had 7 men in the ATP singles top 200.

26 Feb 1996

43 Greg Rusedski
79 Tim Henman
127 Chris Wilkinson
148 Mark Petchey
162 Jeremy Bates
184 Miles MacLagan
189 Danny Sapsford

2 May 2022

11 Cameron Norrie
36 Dan Evans
78 Andy Murray
121 Jack Draper
141 Liam Broady
161 Jay Clarke
200 Ryan Peniston

What's makes this all the more impressive (relatively to GB's own past, I mean!) is that early in the last decade, there were a few weeks (including the 2010 and 2012 year-ends) when Andy was the only Brit in the ATP singles top 200 and quite a few more weeks when there were only two, with James Ward or Jamie Baker as the second. Also, I believe the few weeks in late 1995 and early 1996 when there were seven Brits in the top 200 may in turn have been the first time since early 1979!

(*) by "I believe", I mean without checking every single week in between but making some reasonable assumptions - e.g. that if 3 were in the top 200 at one date and 4 were in the top 200 six months later without nobody else within 50 places at either point, it's almost certain that there weren't 7 in the top 200 at any point between those dates



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Great stuff. Thanks for all this, Steven.

I had noticed before in your excellent ranking / stats section here that 1995 was the last year end when we had 7 men in the top 200 so we were getting in and around a historic high. And we just missed 7 in February this year when Jack entered the top 200 just a week after Kyle dropped out. I hadn't at all otherwise though looked into things beyond these year end figures.

Can Kyle get fit and back into the top 200? Can Paul get there fairly soon? We are in good times.

It appears that we will also have a confirmed best average GB top 10 rankings figure for the GB men since we started recording that in the "Strongest Nation" thread but probably here too also the best for many many years beforehand. The 10 being the 7 top 200ers listed plus Paul Jubb, Alastair Gray and Aidan McHugh.



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steven wrote:

I know this isn't top 250 or top 500-related, but with Ryan Peniston rising to 200 today after making the final in Ostrava, I believe (*) this is the first time for more than 26 years that GB has had 7 men in the ATP singles top 200.

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 And as Indi says, if Kyle was fit ....



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Yes, great stats, steven

As others have said, our men do feel very exciting at the moment (I far prefer the depth, than one star - which is not to knock Andy going it alone when he had to, but it's just SO good when there's a batch of names to follow)

Just to note too:

Of our 7 top 200-ers:

The average age is 26.8 (spot on the average 'prime' age)
Only two are over 30
Two are 23 or under

Of the 14 top 500-ers:

The average age is 25
Four are 21 or under
Eight are 24 or under
Still only 2 are over 30

I haven't compared it to any other country, or whatever, but that seems very encouraging, to me.


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So men's WR for w/c 2 May 2022

So as the men mass on the border of the Bob Threshold in singles, Jay and Ryan get some early points on the board for May thanks to their recent win and runner's-up. Although Adam is up almost 200 WR places, he is still loitering outside the Top1000, whereas Oscar moves to just outside the Top700, while Henry now becomes one of the Bob candidates.  James Ward's time in the Top700 is now pretty much numbered. 

The number of GB players in the singles Top500 stays at 15.

In doubles, thanks to their SF appearances, Jamie and Lloyd currently tie for points added in May. In terms of WR, another GB player (Dom) drops out of the Top100. That makes it the 4th week in a row a GB player has fallen out of the Top100. In more positive news, some of the mid-WR players, make some good moves up the ranking, including Julian, Henry and Ryan and Joshua.    

The number of GB players in the doubles Top500 stays at 23.

MS WR 2022-05-02.png   MD WR 2022-05-02.png

Singles

GroupTop100Top200Top300Top400Top500Top600Top700
Number37812152026
Change0+1000+10

Doubles

GroupTop100Top200Top300Top400Top500Top600Top700
Number5111217232831
Change-10020+10



 



-- Edited by Aberdaberdonian on Tuesday 10th of May 2022 05:33:46 PM

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So since there is no women's WR update this week, thought i'd take the opportunity to post this.  It's a bit late considering Q1 finished a month ago, but i think it helps quantify what has been said about the great start to the year our men have had. It just considers the Top10 players (as of the start of 2022), well Top9 really because of Kyle's inactivity, and the 2022 calendar is not identical to 2021's, but still i think the comparison is still valid.

If i haven't got my numbers wrong, in Q1 for almost the same number of entries (51), the Top10 have more than doubled the amount of points won. The biggest influencers are Cam's improved performance in the Masters and ATP500 events, and Jack's (and to a lesser extent Paul's) sucessful step up to Challenger events. Plus Dan scoring big in the ATP cup this year. 

In fact every single player had a better 2022 Q1 than 2021 Q1, including those where perhaps the feeling is they haven't set the world alight so far this year (Liam?, Dan?).

I'll look to post the numbers per player in their individual threads.

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Quoting from Indy:

"So now Jack PJ is a final win and Stuart a SF win from entering the top 500."

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And Ali G 2 x 25k titles from the top 250, hes almost halfway there

Pity about Aidan, the 500 will be reached before the 10 in 250 I believe. End of August for 20 in the 500 Im calling. Or folding


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Oooh, I wouldn't fold....

Getting six more in the top 500 is no slamdunk - and that's assuming none drop out - Anton must have BIG points coming off soon, no?

And with the GB grass events coming, it's all a bit of a cr*pshoot, anyway....

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Yes good point, Ive had a quick look at the players ranked 200-300, theres a good few injured and retired/retiring players in there, so anyone creeping up the 300s will be closer to 250 once the two slams have passed. Ali G is almost certain to be top 250, could get there without playing challengers, as could Billy although thats probably a long shot.

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I think the general rise down the men's rankings has been the story of the last year for GB, along with Emma.

Great if we could get both 20 in the top 500 and 10 in the top 250.

Jan, Dan C and Henry are the currently well placed potential additional 3 after JPJ and Stuart to give us 20 in the top 500. But Jan and Dan have recently not looked quite the slam dunks many had assumed to get back into the top 500. There's a bit of a points gap then to the current GB #21, Harrry W. Oscar has been very much on the move recently though and would have overtaken Harry with a QF win today.

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"I think the general rise down the men's rankings has been the story of the last year for GB, along with Emma."

Absolutely, and very much a US college story (although not exclusively)

Which begs the question as to whether there's others about to start the circuit - after all, Ali was outside the top-1000 only 8 months ago or so.

I lose track because some extend their degrees, some do Masters or whatever i.e. Henry, Charlie, Dan L, etc have all been giving it a go this past 12 months but are not age 22. But we've got some decent young players over there..... Arthur is another shout for this summer, of course, and more of a known entity....but there are others that I definitely quite liked at 17-18 year-olds (even if they didn't quite make the 'little fave' cut).

And I still have faith in Jan for top-500. And Dan Cox too, and Stuart, and Henry - it might not be all but I'd say two of those will get in there quite soon.

Oscar's tennis seems a bit too 'young' at the moment (falling all over his feet, like Bambi). Don't know about Harry. Blu was playing better before getting injured. Same age. All on the up.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 7th of May 2022 12:43:20 PM

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indiana wrote:

I think the general rise down the men's rankings has been the story of the last year for GB, along with Emma.

Great if we could get both 20 in the top 500 and 10 in the top 250.

Jan, Dan C and Henry are the currently well placed potential additional 3 after JPJ and Stuart to give us 20 in the top 500. But Jan and Dan have recently not looked quite the slam dunks many had assumed to get back into the top 500. There's a bit of a points gap then to the current GB #21, Harrry W. Oscar has been very much on the move recently though and would have overtaken Harry with a QF win today.


 I still dont see it happening in some time. The top 500, Jack PJ, Stuart and maybe one of Henry, Dan or Jan max, but I dont see 20 making it this season or really beyond right now. jan and Dan I really dont think will make it. Sorry. 

in the top 250 stakes, I would say Ali is most likely but it is a high level is 250 and Im not convinced. 

and then they all have to stay there whilst others get in behind them and that isnt certain to happen. 

im still in the big Stretch to unlikely camp Im afraid, for both targets. In the next 12 months. Nope- dont see it! Sorry 



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If Kyle isn't back / doesn't pick up any ranking points in the grass season he will be down to 68 points from two 2019 counters. That should just about keep him in the top 500.

Then his 45 points from ATP Washington 500 are due off on 01/08 and his 23 points from ATP Montreal Masters are due off on 08/08.



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Atp have launched their own live rankings tool now

www.atptour.com/en/news/atp-pepperstone-launch-live-rankings

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