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RE: Top 500


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JonH comes home wrote:

We also have 36 in the top 1000, so perhaps we need to see the 40 top 1000 barrier go first and the rest will topple in turn; building from the bottom up


 That has to be 50 in top 1000 - adding 4 to the top 1000 when we're talking about adding 6/7 to the top 500 doesn't make sense, there's no pyramid in improvements there 


 true, a funnel in effect. 

In which case, though, the ratio of 20 top 500 to 10 top 250 doesnt work really?

Perhaps the real ambition should ultimately be 60 top 1000; 25 top 500; 12 top 250 by the end of say 2024?



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On the topic of x in the top Y. Anyone know when we last had 10 in the top 250? Or to put it another way 10 in a foreign Slam across Main Draw and Qualifying?

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I can't give a definitive answer to this, since I've only noted of the number of Brits in the top 10/50/100/200/500 at each year end but the only year since the 1970s when more than 6 Brits finished in the year-end top 200 was 1995, with 7, but there was nobody in the 201-250 range at that point and only one more in the top 300. It's possible that 4 or 5 Brits made it into the 201-250 range when we had 5 or 6 in the top 200, or that a bunch of Brits made it into the top 250 mid-year without being in the top 250 at the start or end of that year, but I haven't tried to check that.

However, the last time there were definitely at least 10 Brits in the ATP top 250 must have been early 1978, since there were 10 Brits in the top 200 at the end of 1977. Unfortunately, while the ATP's historical rankings are much more easily accessible than the WTA equivalents, the records from the 1970s are patchy (many weeks missing and some weeks, e.g. the last week of 1978, showing only the top 100), so it's not easy to narrow it down any further.

When we last had 20 players in the top 500 (24 October 2005), there were 11 in the top 300 but only 8 of those were in the top 250 - see www.atptour.com/en/rankings/singles

Anyway, given the increased global competition these days, getting 10 Brits in the ATP top 250 would be a major milestone, and not only by the standards of this century!


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steven wrote:

I can't give a definitive answer to this, since I've only noted of the number of Brits in the top 10/50/100/200/500 at each year end but the only year since the 1970s when more than 6 Brits finished in the year-end top 200 was 1995, with 7, but there was nobody in the 201-250 range at that point and only one more in the top 300. It's possible that 4 or 5 Brits made it into the 201-250 range when we had 5 or 6 in the top 200, or that a bunch of Brits made it into the top 250 mid-year without being in the top 250 at the start or end of that year, but I haven't tried to check that.

However, the last time there were definitely at least 10 Brits in the ATP top 250 must have been early 1978, since there were 10 Brits in the top 200 at the end of 1977. Unfortunately, while the ATP's historical rankings are much more easily accessible than the WTA equivalents, the records from the 1970s are patchy (many weeks missing and some weeks, e.g. the last week of 1978, showing only the top 100), so it's not easy to narrow it down any further.

When we last had 20 players in the top 500 (24 October 2005), there were 11 in the top 300 but only 8 of those were in the top 250 - see www.atptour.com/en/rankings/singles

Anyway, given the increased global competition these days, getting 10 Brits in the ATP top 250 would be a major milestone, and not only by the standards of this century!


 It also shows how impressive it is for the likes of France, Spain and Italy to have 10 in the top 100, as has been the case regularly for the first two and recently for Italy. And the USA of course have usually had 10 top 100 until recently 



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In top 250, 7 mens countries currently have 10 - USA, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Argentina and Australia.



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Because this is a non-WR reporting week, something different for a change, looking a player's CH vs current ranking (21 Mar), so something akin to an 'in-form' graph.

How to read the graph:  The closer a player is to the edge of the slope, the closer they are to their best ever form. 

So for example, Felix Gill is right on the edge of the slope, reflecting that he's just achieved a new CH, whereas Evan is quite far below the edge, reflecting he's currently quite far away from his CH. 

Likewise the higher up the slope a player is, the higher their CH/current ranking is.

So Andy is furthest right because he has the best CH (CH=1), but he's not quite the highest (WR=82).  That honour goes to Cam because he has the current best WR (WR=13), but he is slightly to the left of Andy because he has a lower CH (CH=12).

The first graph focuses on the Top800.  The one below is all current active players (hence why the dots are a bit more squashed together)

 

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It would be funny if some of the players were aware of our targets and it spurred them on to get over the finish line. That would be rather amusing.

Career highlights: Made it to 20 in Bobs 500 or Jaggys 250

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Jaggy1876 wrote:

It would be funny if some of the players were aware of our targets and it spurred them on to get over the finish line. That would be rather amusing.

Career highlights: Made it to 20 in Bobs 500 or Jaggys 250


Is that you now following me on Twitter ?  I followed back.

Seems like you are winning the poll.



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Thats me Bob, Im a lot nicer over there some might say.

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Jack Draper could move ahead of Liam in next 3 weeks of both win equal points. Jack would be 2 points ahead.

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Jaggy1876 wrote:

It would be funny if some of the players were aware of our targets and it spurred them on to get over the finish line. That would be rather amusing.

Career highlights: Made it to 20 in Bobs 500 or Jaggys 250


 Quite a few players or ex players are aware of the forum.



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paulisi wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:

It would be funny if some of the players were aware of our targets and it spurred them on to get over the finish line. That would be rather amusing.

Career highlights: Made it to 20 in Bobs 500 or Jaggys 250


 Quite a few players or ex players are aware of the forum.


 yes, but that's not quite Jaggy's point - it's whether they might be goaded into extra effort because of it - which is quite a thought biggrin



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Yes there are 3 or 4 now coming on on Liams coat tails might even spur him on to breaking the top 100. I think the grass season is going to bigger than ever for a lot of our 100-300odd ranked players. Could really be career changing you get the feeling.

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Absolutely, I was making some comments along a similar line on some other thread - really feel that the grass court season could be a real game-changer for some of our players this year.
If we suddenly found Jack PJ, or Henry Patten, or whoever, in the top 300 at the end, I wouldn't be that surprised (I would if all of the contenders ended up there - but not just one)
And similarly for Anton, Ali or whoever being 150, say.
You only need a couple of wildcards, a good draw, a bit of decent form - there's not much in it.....especially this year with such a pool....

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Coup Droit wrote:

Absolutely, I was making some comments along a similar line on some other thread - really feel that the grass court season could be a real game-changer for some of our players this year.
If we suddenly found Jack PJ, or Henry Patten, or whoever, in the top 300 at the end, I wouldn't be that surprised (I would if all of the contenders ended up there - but not just one)
And similarly for Anton, Ali or whoever being 150, say.
You only need a couple of wildcards, a good draw, a bit of decent form - there's not much in it.....especially this year with such a pool....


 The issue is that the number of places are actually not big. The three challengers will allow a couple of direct entries but Jack D and Liam B will play Queens instead of Ilkley im sure and outside those 2, the others may struggle to get into strong fields, unless they are already around 250 or better, Paul and Ryan perhaps. The others would need wildcards or a qualie space. 

queens and eastbourne will no doubt offer Liam and Jack places but it will be interesting to see what queens offers to other Brits , if at all. The Eastbourne event of course clashes with Wimbledon qualies. 

 

so its hard to put together a run, and requires a big week from someone - to really get a big ranking rise needs someone to win a challenger, do well at queens eg a la James ward and reach a last 4 or 8, ditto Eastbourne or get a couple of rounds through Wimbledon 

 

I also feel someone could do it and make a name but am not sure it will be more than one player- question will be who? 



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