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Lambda · Futures level

RE: Rankings

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
Being the better singles player does help get into doubles in grand slams, where the big points are, as the singles ranking will be used if better than their doubles ranking. Indeed, over half of Heather's doubles points are from 2 GS events. Tara doesn't have that advantage, she needs to rely on her doubles ranking to get into GSs which is difficult when a lot of the top singles ranked players that don't regularly play doubles take spots using their higher singles ranking.

Heather is defending 240 points at the Australian Open, while Tara is defending 80 (net 70) points on the post AO ranking update. If no points are defended then Heather will fall behind Tara after the Australian Open as things stand.

Thanks all - so for my original question there is little or no chance of Heather not being year end top spot in doubles?

Lambda · Futures level

The only possibility of Heather not being doubles GB#1 by end of the year is if Tara or Sam entered and won both 125s in December, which seems highly unlikely. As there are no advance entries to 125K for doubles this year we won't know if they playing until the draws come out.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
The only possibility of Heather not being doubles GB#1 by end of the year is if Tara or Sam entered and won both 125s in December, which seems highly unlikely. As there are no advance entries to 125K for doubles this year we won't know if they playing until the draws come out.

Thanks Lambda - where are those 125 events being played? I see theyve a few currently in South America , do they continue through that region?

the addict · Tennis legend

The W125 events are listed on the main WTA tournament calendar. The two December events are Angers, France (6th-12th) and Limoges, France (13th-19th)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
The W125 events are listed on the main WTA tournament calendar. The two December events are Angers, France (6th-12th) and Limoges, France (13th-19th)

Sorry yes, I looked afterwards - ask first and answer own question is my strategy in life, which typically ends up annoying a lot of people ! biggrin

thanks !

indiana · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
Being the better singles player does help get into doubles in grand slams, where the big points are, as the singles ranking will be used if better than their doubles ranking. Indeed, over half of Heather's doubles points are from 2 GS events. Tara doesn't have that advantage, she needs to rely on her doubles ranking to get into GSs which is difficult when a lot of the top singles ranked players that don't regularly play doubles take spots using their higher singles ranking.

Heather is defending 240 points at the Australian Open, while Tara is defending 80 (net 70) points on the post AO ranking update. If no points are defended then Heather will fall behind Tara after the Australian Open as things stand.

I really like Tara and love to see her do well, and I take the point about singles rankings giving Slam doubles entries and a decent draw away from big points. But aside from ranking points, and whatever the doubles rankings are now and may change to after the Australan Open, I still think that Heather and Harriet are generally our best two doubles players, albeit Heather needs to rather recharge.

Whilst behind Heather and Harriet, I would also put a fit Jo before such as Tara, Sam, and Eden.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

indiana wrote:
The rankings are what they are, measuring what they measure, and they do that accurately.
That being for women's doubles the sums of players' best 11 ranking points scores, normally over the last 12 month although with covid clearly some older scores counting just now as well.
But yes players have different amounts of focus on doubles and I'd certainly say that, leaving the actual ranking placings aside, our best two doubles players are Heather and Harriet who play much less doubles than our more regular doubles players and when they do, even with their less year round focus, generally produce bigger results.
For their rankings best 11 scores, with much more limited choice, both Heather and Harriet count R1 exit scores whereas for instance Tara's lowest counter is 50 points.
Hence why, since Joss Rae and Anna Smith days, our Fed and Billie Jean King Cup selections have not included more specialist doubles players. Our actual best doubles players have been among our top singles players. Now that might not always be the case but for GB has been for a little while now, and probably will remain so at least until we have say more specialist doubles players who play more regularly at WTA tour level and are top 100 doubles ranked.

In recent times our BJK Cup matches have been decided before a live doubles match was needed.. Doubles matches were played at Bath to decide team positions. We lost the tie in Japan in 2018 when Jo and Heather were defeated in the final rubber by a recognised Japanese doubles pair. In 2017 Jo and Heather won a deciding doubles against Croatia.

QueenJKonta · Junior player

If i was choosing a doubles team with every girl fit and healthy you have to stick with Jo and Hev, both can serve big which is so crucial - although Jo probably lacks the doubles instinct her general play is probably more valuable than the doubles skills of Eden, Tara, Lissey, Liv or Beth it has to be said.
Now if Jo was not to play BJK its hard to look past Harriet as the next best doubles player - Wimbledon R3 with Hev, 125K title with Asia couple weeks back, if she played every week she would easily be top 100.

the addict · Tennis legend

Hariet's doubles have certainly improved over the last couple of years - some of which must be due to the Battle of the Brits (playing with the top Brits) and I'm sure her run in the Mixed with Joe has helped immensely. If her serve was stonger I would pick her ahead of Jo every time. Tere is a bit of a gap to the next group you name though, and I don't think they are close enough to even be considered right now.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Will Emma ever play doubles?

Peter too · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
Will Emma ever play doubles?

I would have thought she would have played doubles at the junior level.

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

GAMEOVER wrote:
Will Emma ever play doubles?

Emma Raducanu on playing doubles in the future: I enjoy playing doubles, but physically I need to focus on singles for now. I dont have that much volume in me. After a few more years, a bit more work done, then I will start playing a little bit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1453813388199464964

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Congrats to Holly Hutchinson who now has a ranking in singles, as well as doubles.

And to the women in general who now have 16 players in the top 500 (as opposed to 12 in the men)

Aberdaberdonian · Club Coach

So the end of November 'review' and i find myself saying once again, it's been a good month for Matilda. smile

She tops the movers once more with a +5 move to GB#13, with Freya taking runner up spot at GB#20, following a move of +3. A shout out to both Sonay and Anna B too, who although not inside the Top25, also made +5 moves over Nov.

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