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RedSquirrel · Satellite level

RE: Rankings

the addict · Tennis legend

Well the WTA have chenged the rules again today, so if anyone has got a spare couple of hours to tryand make head or tail of it, here's the press release

https://www.wtatennis.com/news/2077588/wta-announces-ranking-system-adjustments

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

Thanks TA. I think it can be summarised as points will drop off in the corresponding week the points were added as under normal rules except for

2019/20 Points from tournaments that are not being played in 2021 will drop off in 2022*

2020 Points from tournaments held outside their usual slot in 2020 will use a best of 2020 or 2021 system until 52 weeks after the 2020 tournament was played after which only the 2021 points will count

Best of 2020/2021 Points from tournaments played in 2021 prior to Miami will drop off in 2022 on the normal yearly cycle unless the tournament is held in 2022 earlier in the year than this year when the points will drop off at the time the tournament is played.

*They say for tournaments not held since 2019 the points will drop when the tournament is next played. But that could be never, so I think the assumption is it will be played in 2022.

-- Edited by RedSquirrel on Thursday 25th of March 2021 09:45:42 PM

PaulM · Tennis legend

How does this work for ITFs given the schedule there is totally messed and many events aren't taking place this year (and the calendar is rarely identical year to year anyway!!).

indiana · Tennis legend

Other than maybe Slams, if shifted, they shoud just go by dates and should have started rolling the 2019 points off on 15/03. Are the Indian Wells 2019 points going to stand for up to 3 years?! - it's a nonsense! And what about the other points that added on 18/03/19 and currently remain fully in players' rankings?

Oh, haven''t been able to defend IW points? Surely got to be more about players are going to keep some points from ridiculously out of date form. The world will survive without an IW counter.

At least the ATP started taking off these oldest 2019 points from 15/03 even if the 50% business may be arguable.

The "better of" has to me been a decent general nterim method but once we came to the 2nd anniversary of the 2019 points it was time for them to be gone.

indiana · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
How does this work for ITFs given the schedule there is totally messed and many events aren't taking place this year (and the calendar is rarely identical year to year anyway!!).

Indeed, again I would just go by deducting on anniversaries. Potential nightmare for the live tennis sites and other independent live update enthusiasts.

Anyway, let's wait to see the WTA updating things in practice, starting with trying to tie in with their 05/04 update.

Maybe they just will go by dates for ITFs?

PaulM · Tennis legend

ITFs seem to be going by dates but at 50%.

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

As points start to drop there is plenty of upward movement on the rankings. Special congratulations go to Fran on making the Top 200 and Matilda on climbing 146 places. That points from ITF tournaments will only drop at 50% may help Gabi keep a ranking if she decides to return to tennis next year.

18. (-) Johanna Konta 3236
67. (-2) Heather Watson 1176
149. (-1) Harriet Dart 539
200. (+13) Francesca Jones 346
202. (+5) Samantha Murray Sharan 345
245. (-2) Katie Swan 273
256. (+2) Jodie Burrage 258
266. (-14) Naiktha Bains 245
292. (+27) Katie Boulter 221
332. (-1) Katy Dunne 168
348. (+1) Amanda Carreras 151
356. (+3) Maia Lumsden 146
357. (-1) Emma Raducanu 146
449. (+9) Emily Webley-Smith 98
450. (+9) Tara Moore 98
485. (+2) Eden Silva 89
513. (-61) Gabriella Taylor 81
518. (+5) Naomi Broady 80
593. (+9) Alicia Barnett 61
641. (+6) Sarah Beth Grey 52
679. (-2) Freya Christie 45
690. (+5) Emilie Lindh Gallagher 43
728. (-28) Emily Appleton 38
840. (+1) Alice Gillan 25
855. (+146) Matilda Mutavdzic 24
908. (+2) Aleksandra Pitak 21
1004. (+4) Emily Arbuthnott 15
1108. (+6) Victoria Allen 10
1112. (+6) Tanysha Dissanayake 10
1152. (+7) Ali Collins 9
1156. (+7) Eliz Maloney 9
1255. (-) Anna Popescu 6
1283. (+2) Tiffany William 5

indiana · Tennis legend

OK, I think I now follow it all as to how the WTA 05/04/21 rankings have been arrived at.

WTA tour event points added since 18/03/19 :
a) Where a 2019 event has not been played again the 2019 points are holding in full ie. Indian Wells.
b) Where a 2019 event has been played again in 2021, only any 2021 points now hold eg. Monterrey, Dubai, Miami.

Neither Indian Wells or Miami points are being treated as compulsory counters if not in a player's top 16 although someone did say that Miami was a compulsory event for the women. I don't know if that meant that the top players had to play it or say get fined and/or count a 0 rather than a 16th counter. There certainly was a very strong women's field for a non compulsory counter.

ITF points added since 18/03/19 ( ie. all ITF points that were still on from 2019 up to and including 08/04/19 ) have now been reduced by 50% for each event ( remaining points rounded if the original points were odd ). I assume that for now all ITF 2019 points will continue to be halved on their 2021 anniversaries, well at least until August when 2020 tournaments again add to the equation.

I just report what has apparently been done. I don't say that it's all logical !

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

indiana wrote:

Neither Indian Wells or Miami points are being treated as compulsory counters if not in a player's top 16 although someone did say that Miami was a compulsory event for the women. I don't know if that meant that the top players had to play it or say get fined and/or count a 0 rather than a 16th counter. There certainly was a very strong women's field for a non compulsory counter.

I said it because that was what the COVID19 rules were on the WTA website when Miami started (and still are what is on the WTA site).

COVID-19 RULES IMPACT 2021
Summary of the application of WTA Rules for 2021 only due to the effects of operating in the COVID-19
environment. All rules will be evergreen and subject to change as may be appropriate.
PLAYER COMMITMENT (SINGLES)
Commitment Tournament requirements will not apply through March 21, 2021. As a result,
players who withdraw from Commitment Tournaments after the entry deadline will not receive
a zero ranking point result through March 21, 2021.
After March 21, 2021, players are required to play the following:
o All WTA 1000 Mandatory Tournaments if she can gain main draw acceptance; and
o All but one (1) of the WTA 1000 Non-Mandatory Tournaments scheduled after April 5,
2021 that a player can gain main draw acceptance into as of the singles main draw
entry deadline.
If a player can gain MD acceptance into 4, she is required to play 3.
If a player can gain MD acceptance into 3, she is required to play 2.
If a player can gain MD acceptance into 2, she is required to play 1.
If a player can gain MD acceptance into 1, play is optional.
o Zero ranking point results will be applied for missed Commitment Tournaments.
Tournament compensation for player delivery levels will not be provided

Unfortunately the WTA haven't updated the COVID19 rule changes since the announcement of the ranking point adjustments during Miami so if the commitment rules also changed then its not been released publicly..

HarryGem · Club Coach

Ok I'm going to appear a bit dim here but can someone explain in words of one syllable how the ITF points drop works?

For Eg Katy Dunne won the W60 event in Spain at the start of May 2019. Roughly half her points are from that one competition.

It wasn't played last year and won't be played this year either from what I can see. So does she lose all those points in a few weeks of just half those points in a few weeks?

If she doesn't lose them or only half then when do those points get removed? If this tournament is never rescheduled then do the points just stay there?

I know the WTA full tour competiton points would stay for 104 weeks ( though IW seems an anomaly here) is this the same for the ITF events?

indiana · Tennis legend

For ITF events half of 2019 points are being taken off on the 2021 anniversaries. For ITFs it is purely based on date, not by whether and when an event is reconvened this year.

Katy will be due to drop half of her 80 points from that Spain W60 title on 03/05/21.

For now apparently WTA tour 2019 points will remain in full where no 2021 event - eg IW. Otherwise they are replaced in full by the 2021 event - eg Miami.

the addict · Tennis legend

Just when you thought you'd got your head round it all, they change the system again.

But this time it's a temporary increase in ranking points for W25 to W80 tournaments (not W15 or W80+H or higher). Starts with tournaments this week.

Press release here

Revised table available here (in PDF format)

-- Edited by the addict on Friday 9th of April 2021 03:21:50 PM

PaulM · Tennis legend

Not entirely sure what the point of this is if the issue is lack of playing opportunities. Nor why it's only from this week and not backdated either for whole year, or from when ranking points started dropping off a few weeks ago. All seems a bit arbitrary.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

65 points for a normal W25 win does seem huge. We've seen the likes of Jodie, Katie S, Emma, and a few others (Naiktha, Maia, Sam) take these titles fairly recently, and it seems fairly normal in some cases, yet if any of those were to make a full WTA 250 QF (60 points, when a DA) you'd consider that pretty good going, and a notable achievement, but it's now worth less points. I guess as there's not as many ITF events, they might have had to do something, but I'm not sure they have this right, if those WTA 250 points are staying the same.