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Michael D wrote:

Rankings update to come a bit later... but anyone wondering what is happening with OER, I've just had this email response from them on the site updating they are doing now...

"I want to first apologize for the lack of message, and to then reassure you that there is no major problem. I have updated the twitter feed with the reason for the current standstill, we can't update the website with a message due to impartial front-end implementation of the ATP Cup changes.

ITF's update has rendered the live update inoperational, we had to update the backend thoroughly (completely). Work is almost done, in this regard.

Since we were doing this update, we also updated another related backend feature which will soon bring draws to the website (in an upcoming release, not the next one).

WTA website also did a major update, and we had to change things on the WTA data-grabbing side as well.

Since it was the off-season, we took advantage of the slower period for these changes. A major update is coming hopefully this week which will bring quite a few well-sought after features."


 in the meantime, live rankings "live tennis" site still seems to be working ok and is up to date as far as I can tell (which I tend to use as I actually find it simpler to navigate) - I am not a guru on the accuracy of the site though!

https://live-tennis.eu/en/wta-live-ranking  



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Monday 16th of December 2019 03:29:07 PM

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Yes, but the site only shows for the current week - it doesn't give you projections so that you can see how this week's W25 and W15 events will affect rankings the week after next... and it also only shows players in the top 1000, so it doesn't give u all ranked players... And actually it tends not to be quite as accurate as OER is too...



-- Edited by Michael D on Monday 16th of December 2019 03:33:11 PM

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Michael D wrote:

Yes, but the site only shows for the current week - it doesn't give you projections so that you can see how this week's W25 and W15 events will affect rankings the week after next... and it also only shows players in the top 1000, so it doesn't give u all ranked players... And actually it tends not to be quite as accurate as OER is too...



-- Edited by Michael D on Monday 16th of December 2019 03:33:11 PM


 No, agreed, I just felt as an alternative whilst OER was down/not being updated. 

Although, I tend to not look too far ahead and just look at the high level features so live rankings tends to meet my needs. I always find OER very slow loading as well, when I use the filters it feels like lots of cogs are grinding and rotating in the background, where as live rankings tends to be a lot snappier, although presumably it is doing a lot less work     



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Week 51 sees positive gains for Naiktha, as the first of her W25 30 pts goes on, and also for Katie B. 

Further down Emma R reaches WR 500 - with another 50 points to be added next week (and which will result in her missing out on the 400s altogether and jumping straight to around 372 and GB #13. Freya also picked up useful points. Despite this and despite the top 10 being in positive territory for once, the overall net GB rankings is still in negative territory again with -39. This is mainly because of declines for Alice G, Emilie and Tiff William, showing again the lack of legs currently for our lower ranked women, as was discussed in the Tunisia thread (I think). Alice and Eliz do at least pick up points in Week 52 and will move up places.   

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This is the second last ranking for this year, though next week's rankings will largely show only minor changes (except for EWS who loses some points). I will also try and post a few more stats around the rankings in the coming week. We at least finish the year with a more positive week, thanks to Nakita, Emma, Alice and Eliz. The top 10 is +23 for the week, and the GB women as a whole are +281, which is the most positive week for a long time now.... In fact more than this, if we discount the first week of the year when there were artificial rises owing to the start of the twin track system then (the year's biggest failure), this week is in fact the most positive week of the entire year for GB women, in terms of the total position rise accrued!! The only other week that was close was Week 37 (09/09) when there was a 280 position aggregate rise.

There are also 3 large CHs this week - for Naiktha (202), Emma (371) and Eliz (1151). These are the first CHs achieved since Week 43, which also marks the longest drought in this respect this year.

Emma's rise to WR 371 and GB #13 is clearly time well for the coming year's prediction rankings competition, and I doubt if there will be anyone who leaves her out of next year's GB #10. It remains to be seen how much she will actually play though, since she is still at school. It will be an interesting prediction competition since this year has certainly shown that there will almost inevitably be a few big surprises in the predictions next year, both in terms of who rises and who falls, with injuries of course remaining the huge wild card.      

For our women, Sam ranks as the biggest upwards surprise of the year, with few predicting her to be in the top 10 never mind the top 5. She has benefited from an injury free run in the second half of the year. In contrast, Gabi rates as the biggest downwards surprise of the year, with a hugely disappointing year after her early successes last year. And in her case, whilst she finishes the year at GB #14, I don't think anyone expected her to be outside the GB top 10, and many thought she would be top 5. Let's hope she will have a better year too next

 

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Percentage changes since the end of last year, towards the goal of being number 1. 1st 17

Name%2018LatestChangeBest
Johanna Konta 69%3712254
Samantha Murray65%625221404165
Amanda Carreras60%871352519236
Emma Raducanu36%575371204371
Naktha Bains33%303202101202
Jodie Burrage33%426285141233
Victoria Allen26%1327976351671
Aleksandra Pitak24%1050802248753
Emilie Lindh Gallagher23%914708206643
Emily Webley-Smith17%56046397240
Francesca Jones13%40435153297
Eliz Maloney13%131811511671151
Eden Silva10%51145853424
Emily Arbuthnot7%101193675551
Tanysha Dissanayake6%13181237811123
Harriet Dart5%1491427121
Tara Moore3%47846414145


-- Edited by Peter too on Saturday 28th of December 2019 01:38:14 PM

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2nd 16.

Name%2018LatestChangeBest
Alice Gillan0%786788-2685
Maia Lumsden-3%316327-11250
Ali Collins-4%10731113-40911
Freya Christie -4%565588-23286
Anna Popescu-6%11161186-701081
Alicia Barnett-11%514571-57453
Heather Watson-13%91103-1238
Emily Appleton-20%532637-105501
Katarzyna Pitak-22%10501283-2331040
Katy Dunne-33%262349-87212
Katie Swan-36%183249-66163
Sarah Beth Grey-39%482671-189426
Tiffany William-44%7871131-344764
Naomi Broady-86%252467-21576
Gabriella Taylor-156%165421-256162
Katie Boulter-231%97319-22282


-- Edited by Peter too on Tuesday 24th of December 2019 05:59:58 PM

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Thanks for the charts both, very interesting as always, and it's great to see a snapshot of the yearly performances. It's the very definition of a mixed bag, but it does feel more negative than positive to me when you actually see the overall general standard/level of player who improved, and those who didn't.

Harriet has technically risen in the respective year end rankings and thus (just) appears in the first chart, but it feels to me, that on everything else but paper, she should really join the others in the second one in terms of determining what sort of year she has had. Started Brisbane ranked 149, beat 2 top 100 payers before the turn of the year (something she didnt manage to do in 8 attempts in 2019), collected 80 points in Brisbane, headed into AO quals as a seed, which resulted in just about everyone on here who submitted early predictions to positively amend, many putting her in the top 100, so to end 2019 pretty much where she ended 2018 is disappointing, and with 120 points (of her 432) to defend straight away, she'll almost certainly fall significanty before she rises again, and unless she betters 80 points in her first event, she'll enter the AO quals as a non seed, meaning she'll likely have to beat 2 seeds to qualify instead of just one like at the 2019 AO and USO.

Ah, I've just realised that's it's just split in 2 for layout convenience rather than actually separating those who had improved their ranking to those who's ranking had deteriorated, although there are just 15 in the first chart, rather than the intended 16, so had Tara been bumped up into that top group, then it would have equally been split into 16 who's ranking had improved, and 16 who's ranking went south.

As has been mentioned throughout the year on various threads, a very unfortunate year overall in terms of injury (including Harriet who did miss seperte chunks of the season), so hopefully we have a bit more luck on that front this year and more can push on, because if not, some really are entering a pivotal stage of their career, whereby it'll be more of a surprise if they get to where most think/hope they can, rather than there being a degree of expectation.

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I tried to post the table as one unit but the system objected and said my post was too long, hence the split.

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Here's just one piece of additional information for the women's rankings for this year. It might be modified slightly by changes in the last few positions, since OER is still offline and live rankings only has women in the top 1000, but this is final for the top 10, and certainly within a few places for GB All. 

Thus altogether, our top 10 women on aggregate have 'lost' 194 places this year, and our GB All aggregate is -777 for the year. These two figures sum up the fact that it's not been a good year for the women overall. [Just to note that the aggregate figures include a big positive rise 1st week of the year, when the new parallel systems were brought in, and a big negative drop when we reverted back to a single system later in the year; thus these two effectively cancel each other out.] 

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Ace Ventura wrote:

Thanks for the charts both, very interesting as always, and it's great to see a snapshot of the yearly performances. It's the very definition of a mixed bag, but it does feel more negative than positive to me when you actually see the overall general standard/level of player who improved, and those who didn't.

Harriet has technically risen in the respective year end rankings and thus (just) appears in the first chart, but it feels to me, that on everything else but paper, she should really join the others in the second one in terms of determining what sort of year she has had. Started Brisbane ranked 149, beat 2 top 100 payers before the turn of the year (something she didnt manage to do in 8 attempts in 2019), collected 80 points in Brisbane, headed into AO quals as a seed, which resulted in just about everyone on here who submitted early predictions to positively amend, many putting her in the top 100, so to end 2019 pretty much where she ended 2018 is disappointing, and with 120 points (of her 432) to defend straight away, she'll almost certainly fall significanty before she rises again, and unless she betters 80 points in her first event, she'll enter the AO quals as a non seed, meaning she'll likely have to beat 2 seeds to qualify instead of just one like at the 2019 AO and USO.

Ah, I've just realised that's it's just split in 2 for layout convenience rather than actually separating those who had improved their ranking to those who's ranking had deteriorated, although there are just 15 in the first chart, rather than the intended 16, so had Tara been bumped up into that top group, then it would have equally been split into 16 who's ranking had improved, and 16 who's ranking went south.

As has been mentioned throughout the year on various threads, a very unfortunate year overall in terms of injury (including Harriet who did miss seperte chunks of the season), so hopefully we have a bit more luck on that front this year and more can push on, because if not, some really are entering a pivotal stage of their career, whereby it'll be more of a surprise if they get to where most think/hope they can, rather than there being a degree of expectation.

 

First I'd like to reciprocate Ace's thanks to those who regularly produce these charts.

Second I think this is a pretty fair assessment of what has largely been a disappointing year. The positive notes have nearly all been struck by the more "senior" players. Emma R's and Naiktha's late season successes have helped to gloss over some of the less successful stories of the year.

The coming 12 months seems a key period for 3 of our women, Harriet, Katie B and Katie D. The latter will be 25 in February and the other two are already 23 turning 24 next season. Whilst still young it seems they are entering a pivotal stage of their careers. Katie B is to be hoped has recovered well from her back injury but only time will tell. Harriet had a mixed year. Injury held her back and though she reached the 3rd round at Wimbledon her defeat to Barty and her previous loss to Sharapova in Australia were both sobering affairs in which she was utterly outclassed.

Of the under 21 brigade, Emily Appleton fell away and made no real progress at all. Katie S bravely admitted to mental health issues but really did little until the latter stages of the tour. Jodie was doing well until injury brought a halt to her progress but after her return to the courts she's barely won a match. Gabby had a disastrous year best forgotten by all.

Those players further down the rankings do not, at present, show many signs of leaping up the rankings. One encouraging performance often followed by 2 or 3 first round defeats.

So 2020's potential success seems to rest heavily on the knee of 28 year old Konta (a knee condition at that age is not likely to improve that much), the question of whether Boulter's back will hold up and whether various players overcoming inner demons bravely exposed but, not necessarily conquered.

here's hoping fingers crossed for a better 2020.



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Ace Ventura wrote:

Thanks for the charts both, very interesting as always, and it's great to see a snapshot of the yearly performances. It's the very definition of a mixed bag, but it does feel more negative than positive to me when you actually see the overall general standard/level of player who improved, and those who didn't.

Harriet has technically risen in the respective year end rankings and thus (just) appears in the first chart, but it feels to me, that on everything else but paper, she should really join the others in the second one in terms of determining what sort of year she has had. Started Brisbane ranked 149, beat 2 top 100 payers before the turn of the year (something she didnt manage to do in 8 attempts in 2019), collected 80 points in Brisbane, headed into AO quals as a seed, which resulted in just about everyone on here who submitted early predictions to positively amend, many putting her in the top 100, so to end 2019 pretty much where she ended 2018 is disappointing, and with 120 points (of her 432) to defend straight away, she'll almost certainly fall significanty before she rises again, and unless she betters 80 points in her first event, she'll enter the AO quals as a non seed, meaning she'll likely have to beat 2 seeds to qualify instead of just one like at the 2019 AO and USO.

Ah, I've just realised that's it's just split in 2 for layout convenience rather than actually separating those who had improved their ranking to those who's ranking had deteriorated, although there are just 15 in the first chart, rather than the intended 16, so had Tara been bumped up into that top group, then it would have equally been split into 16 who's ranking had improved, and 16 who's ranking went south.

As has been mentioned throughout the year on various threads, a very unfortunate year overall in terms of injury (including Harriet who did miss seperte chunks of the season), so hopefully we have a bit more luck on that front this year and more can push on, because if not, some really are entering a pivotal stage of their career, whereby it'll be more of a surprise if they get to where most think/hope they can, rather than there being a degree of expectation.

 

First I'd like to reciprocate Ace's thanks to those who regularly produce these charts.

Second I think this is a pretty fair assessment of what has largely been a disappointing year. The positive notes have nearly all been struck by the more "senior" players. Emma R's and Naiktha's late season successes have helped to gloss over some of the less successful stories of the year.

The coming 12 months seems a key period for 3 of our women, Harriet, Katie B and Katie D. The latter will be 25 in February and the other two are already 23 turning 24 next season. Whilst still young it seems they are entering a pivotal stage of their careers. Katie B is to be hoped has recovered well from her back injury but only time will tell. Harriet had a mixed year. Injury held her back and though she reached the 3rd round at Wimbledon her defeat to Barty and her previous loss to Sharapova in Australia were both sobering affairs in which she was utterly outclassed.

Of the under 21 brigade, Emily Appleton fell away and made no real progress at all. Katie S bravely admitted to mental health issues but really did little until the latter stages of the tour. Jodie was doing well until injury brought a halt to her progress but after her return to the courts she's barely won a match. Gabby had a disastrous year best forgotten by all.

Those players further down the rankings do not, at present, show many signs of leaping up the rankings. One encouraging performance often followed by 2 or 3 first round defeats.

So 2020's potential success seems to rest heavily on the knee of 28 year old Konta (a knee condition at that age is not likely to improve that much), the question of whether Boulter's back will hold up and whether various players overcoming inner demons bravely exposed but, not necessarily conquered.

here's hoping fingers crossed for a better 2020.


Agree with a lot of this, and those in bold were the 3 I mainly had in mind given their age. Really unfortunate for Katie B as she gatecrashed the top 100 for the first time not long after her 22nd birthday in October 2018, but she's effectively had a year out, and even with her PR, you'd probably expect it to take at least another year just to get back to where she was - that seems to be the case on the predictions thread, and that's probably a best case scenario as well, so instead of being 22 at a career high, and looking to push on, you're suddenly 24 and a half, and not necessarily that young - nothing she can do about it obviously, but just a shame, especially when it's a shortish career, and few seem to be retiring at 28/29 these days, and not just the top top players.

Katie S is obviously 2/3 years younger than those 3, and has had the very unfortunate issues which you mention, but while some/most may disagree here, this to me does feel like an absolutely massive year for her as well if she is going to establish herself as a top 100 WTA player in the coming years. Some can push on when they're 23/24, but most of the top 100 will already be there, or at least had a spell in it, by the time they are 22/23, and the more time that passes, the less likely it'll be. First things first, there's obviously other issues she'll have to manage / overcome that are far more important to her than her tennis, but as a tennis fan, that's what I'm most interested in (without wanting to come across as heartless), and her overall year on the court has been disappointing, so hopefully she can have a bit more joy (on both fronts) in 2020.

Similar story with Gabi really, but then there generally was less overall expectation considering Katie had the better jr career, and early Fed Cup hype.



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OER seems finally nearly up to date with its rankings again. However, although the WTA has posted this week's rankings OER does not have them as official yet... and that may well be because there is still some error in the WTA rankings. For several players, including Emma R, the WTA is still listing her as having risen 123 places. That was a week back. For this week OER/WTA don't yet agree on her position, and I'm not sure the WTA site is correct yet. I think this is still the backend data issue, so I will post here final rankings for this year when everything seems resolved

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I just tried to work out Emma Rs points total. She seems to have played in 8 events of $25K or higher this year and if the point for qualifying in a $25K, which occurred twice, is added to the main draw points I make her total 126 points against the WTA's 124.

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I just tried to work out Emma Rs points total. She seems to have played in 8 events of $25K or higher this year and if the point for qualifying in a $25K, which occurred twice, is added to the main draw points I make her total 126 points against the WTA's 124.


I think the points are correct. Here's her points tally which has the two q points included. It's just her ranking position that is not fully clear. What's impressive is that her ranking is from only 9 events, and most are QFs and above at W25 level. Emma has plenty of upside, depending on how many events she plays again in 2020.

 

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