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the addict · Tennis legend

RE: Rankings

Michael D · All-time great

And Sam has increased her % to 61.6% so far this week...

Peter too · Tennis legend

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Michael D · All-time great

Just to note that after a fair amount of confusion, including with OER, its now confirmed there is no women's rankings update this week but it will happen after this week's finals event. Not really sure why, but that's as it is.

OER remains confused at the moment... they still have to adjust their start date for positions up or down, it's all a bit random at the moment

-- Edited by Michael D on Tuesday 29th of October 2019 09:39:15 AM

indiana · Tennis legend

Michael D wrote:
Just to note that after a fair amount of confusion, including with OER, its now confirmed there is no women's rankings update this week but it will happen after this week's finals event. Not really sure why, but that's as it is.
OER remains confused at the moment... they still have to adjust their start date for positions up or down, it's all a bit random at the moment

-- Edited by Michael D on Tuesday 29th of October 2019 09:39:15 AM

I assume it's because the WTA didn't want to update until both the Elite Triphy and WTA finals were played.

Though I'm not sure thst it is any big issue that Bertens say would have had an initial upgrade after last week before the WTA finals players competed.

Bertens, now competing in the WTA finals foo, will apparently end up receiving the better current net addition from her 2 weeks' scores.

Michael D · All-time great

A late posting this week, but it's been insanely busy for me so far on work travel. Plus apart from Sam and Tara the table does not make for good reading. In fact, right at the bottom I've added the figure of the total rise/ fall of our players, and it's -456 for the week!!!

I'll keep this figure now to see how long it takes us to get any kind of real upturn. We have a lot of players not playing, which doesn't help for a start, but many of our lower ranked players are making as little progress as our top 10. The costs of playing outside the UK don't help, and the lack of ANY W15 tournaments in the UK clearly shows up in the inability of our lower ranked players to be able to get a firm footing on the ladder. And i don't think this means they lack the capacity to do so... I think there are several that have the ability to advance at least towards the 500 mark.

Let's hope for better times in the new year. As Indy said in the Strongest Nation thread, it's clear that many of our players are under-ranked now... but they a) have to be fit, and b) have sufficient opportunities at appropriate levels to play.

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Michael D · All-time great

This week's GB rankings show rather more green thankfully, and amongst the top 10 there is even a slight rise of +5 pts for the first time in weeks and weeks. However, not because of GB players doing anything significant but through others losing more points than our players. Fran also drops out of the top 10 for now and is replaced by Katie B at 9 and Katy D at 10. Mandy is not in virtue of not playing in the French tournament she was entered, however she is entered into the Italian W25 carpet event next week, so could still be back in the GB top 10 before the year's end, even if maybe late for our predictions ranking competition (sadly).

Further down the rankings there are still sizeable falls. Naomi falls further places and is only modestly inside the top 500 now. Emma also falls -57 through points dropping off and not playing herself, though she is playing this week. Finally down at the bottom both Ali Collins and Tiff Williams fall more than 110 places each, the net effect being that our players are still collectively -231 for the week. Its more than that actually, since Ella Taylor now falls off the rankings this week - she hasn't played this year - as does Eliz Maloney. Eliz has however gained the point she needs to get back to three counters again and she will re-enter the rankings next week. That will take us back to 33 ranked players again.

I think Anna P was the only person who actually added to her points tally last week - and that was just 1pt!!! At least this week EWS has already gained 6 pts, and we have a few more playing too, so let's hope for a few more too.

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-- Edited by Michael D on Monday 11th of November 2019 07:44:13 AM

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

So Heather will now find herself 102 in tomorrow's rankings, and when you factor in those using PR like Bellis and (hopefully) Katie B (plus a few others), her Aussie Open main spot suddenly looks perilous. There's been so many 60-125k events since she hit her last ball in TianJin where a number of players have picked up significant points, and that, along with dropping points from last year's US events may see her having to go through qualifying where she fell at the 2nd and 1st hurdle in her last 2 attempts.

She's still 102 in the forecasted rankings for the Dec 9th cut off. There are still 2 weeks of W25 events to come before then, so she still may even slip a little further if Tig does well, or if any others just below her get a MDWC.

HarryGem · Club Coach

Ace Ventura wrote:
So Heather will now find herself 102 in tomorrow's rankings, and when you factor in those using PR like Bellis and (hopefully) Katie B (plus a few others), her Aussie Open main spot suddenly looks perilous. There's been so many 60-125k events since she hit her last ball in TianJin where a number of players have picked up significant points, and that, along with dropping points from last year's US events may see her having to go through qualifying where she fell at the 2nd and 1st hurdle in her last 2 attempts.

She's still 102 in the forecasted rankings for the Dec 9th cut off. There are still 2 weeks of W25 events to come before then, so she still may even slip a little further if Tig does well, or if any others just below her get a MDWC.

It will be tight but she should hopefully sneak in as there are bound to be a few withdrawals due to injury.

Also of cocnern is the position of Katie Swan and Naiktha Baines for the AO qualies. KB is currently at 240 with 247 points but Naiktha is at 246 with 239 points. At least 5 players are still involved in W25s with 215 points or more, So whilst they might not affect KB, Naiktha looks potentially in a struggle to get in.

Michael D · All-time great

The two bright spots for this week were Naiktha (+46) and Emily WS (+21), but otherwise it was another week where the top 10 sank (-16) and overall our players declined -151 in the rankings. It's been a long, slow decline at the moment. Eliz Maloney did regain her ranking however, bringing our WTA ranked women back up to 33.

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Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

HarryGem wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
So Heather will now find herself 102 in tomorrow's rankings, and when you factor in those using PR like Bellis and (hopefully) Katie B (plus a few others), her Aussie Open main spot suddenly looks perilous. There's been so many 60-125k events since she hit her last ball in TianJin where a number of players have picked up significant points, and that, along with dropping points from last year's US events may see her having to go through qualifying where she fell at the 2nd and 1st hurdle in her last 2 attempts.

She's still 102 in the forecasted rankings for the Dec 9th cut off. There are still 2 weeks of W25 events to come before then, so she still may even slip a little further if Tig does well, or if any others just below her get a MDWC.
It will be tight but she should hopefully sneak in as there are bound to be a few withdrawals due to injury.
Also of cocnern is the position of Katie Swan and Naiktha Baines for the AO qualies. KB is currently at 240 with 247 points but Naiktha is at 246 with 239 points. At least 5 players are still involved in W25s with 215 points or more, So whilst they might not affect KB, Naiktha looks potentially in a struggle to get in.

It'll be really tight. I don't think anyone else below her can now pass her after Tig withdrew from a US W25, so the lowest she should be at the cut off in a couple of weeks is 102, but apparently the below players would all be eligible to use their PR for the Aussie Open if they wanted to as it's still within their expiry date:

Bellis 43, Shvedova 47, Vesnina 52, Lucic-Baroni 67, Jankovic 72, Rodina 73, Makarova 77, Zvonareva 78, Rogers 81, Bondarenko 85, Boulter 85, Vandeweghe 100

Now obviously some of those names are proper blasts from the past, like Jankovic, and almost certainly won't, be I'd think most of the ones in bold w/could be likely. Bellis, Rogers, Bondarenko and Boulter have all played matches recently, so it would be odds on that they'd all use theirs. I'm not sure what the status is with Rodina and Zvonareva (and Makarova), and they might be less likely than the others, but could still be possibilities. Vandeweghe is also back playing again and made the Houston 125k final the other day, but she does have the US' reciprocal WC, so hopefully the USTA don't encourage her to use her PR so that that WC can be freed up for another American, but as it stands, CoCo won't be needing her PR, but you could still be looking at 4-7 players using it who are ahead of Heather and that would push her towards 106-109 and outside of the magic 104 spot.

There could be a few withdrawals as you say to get her back in, but the new rules have resulted in so many players delaying their withdrawal, like Katie B in Paris to pocket the 50% prize fund, and there were 3 LLs in at last years FO and Wimbledon, and a massive 6 at the US Open (just in the women's draw), so I think more and more are becoming aware of the rule, and you'd have to be pretty injured or very well off not to delay it. I mean AK Schmeidlova even had surgery straight after Wimbledon and isn't due back until early 2019, yet she was one of those who delayed their US Open withdrawal enough to still be able to pick up her pay cheque, resulting in one of those 6 LL spots.

Hopefully she can just sneak in, but I'd say it would be 50/50 at best.

Michael D · All-time great

I'm back in the UK again at least for a couple of weeks... As can be seen there is very little movement amongst our players except for two - Emma R (+38) and Freya (+60).

In the top 10 there is no movement, Katie's R32 win in Hua Hin balancing the small drops above her. Perhaps the most noteworthy point is that we are +31 collectively on the week, the first week we have been in positive territory of any kind since I started noting the overall rise/fall 4 weeks ago. At the end of the year I will go back and work out a cumulative rise/fall for the year.

Next week too, we have so far no-one who will rise and fall more than 10 places, though cumulatively again we have more more players with small falls than small rises.

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Michael D · All-time great

This weeks GB WTA rankings show little movement of any sort... There is still a -10 decline in the top 10 and a -40 decline overall.

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Michael D · All-time great

The GB rankings this week again show little movement. Net zero in the top 10 and net -70 overall. There is also no change in the relative position of every GB player for the first time this year I think.

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Michael D · All-time great

Rankings update to come a bit later... but anyone wondering what is happening with OER, I've just had this email response from them on the site updating they are doing now...

"I want to first apologize for the lack of message, and to then reassure you that there is no major problem. I have updated the twitter feed with the reason for the current standstill, we can't update the website with a message due to impartial front-end implementation of the ATP Cup changes.

ITF's update has rendered the live update inoperational, we had to update the backend thoroughly (completely). Work is almost done, in this regard.

Since we were doing this update, we also updated another related backend feature which will soon bring draws to the website (in an upcoming release, not the next one).

WTA website also did a major update, and we had to change things on the WTA data-grabbing side as well.

Since it was the off-season, we took advantage of the slower period for these changes. A major update is coming hopefully this week which will bring quite a few well-sought after features."