Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, China (Hard) - doubles

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, China (Hard)

paulisi · Tennis legend

Troicki won in straight sets, so will play James for a place in the main draw.

LouieG · County player

Pospisil & Sock did win Wimbledon to be fair lol

-- Edited by LouieG on Saturday 4th of October 2014 09:25:51 AM

Spectator · All-time great

Yes, I would make the exception for Pospisil and Sock - actually also intrigued by the number of singles/doubles specialists operating in tandem - it's normally more frustrating in that it's just singles players! But I agree that at this stage of the race - where the Masters points really, really matter for doubles teams, I would put a cap on random singles participation. (Yes, I know: we've had this discussion before. And I'm not saying it's generally true. But for the last two Masters ....)

On which note, a question for those who know ATP rules better than I. What will the impact be of the fact that in doubles, as in singles, all four GSs were won by different teams? I know that there's a rule that if you win a GS and are within the top 20, you're guaranteed a place at the year-end tournament even if you don't make the top 8. But does that apply only to one team? Or if, say, both Pospisil/Sock and Kubot/Lindstedt were to miss the cut, would they both get in?

RJA · Hall of fame

Spectator wrote:
Yes, I would make the exception for Pospisil and Sock - actually also intrigued by the number of singles/doubles specialists operating in tandem - it's normally more frustrating in that it's just singles players! But I agree that at this stage of the race - where the Masters points really, really matter for doubles teams, I would put a cap on random singles participation. (Yes, I know: we've had this discussion before. And I'm not saying it's generally true. But for the last two Masters ....)

On which note, a question for those who know ATP rules better than I. What will the impact be of the fact that in doubles, as in singles, all four GSs were won by different teams? I know that there's a rule that if you win a GS and are within the top 20, you're guaranteed a place at the year-end tournament even if you don't make the top 8. But does that apply only to one team? Or if, say, both Pospisil/Sock and Kubot/Lindstedt were to miss the cut, would they both get in?

The Top 7 teams are assured entry into the WTF so if 2 Grand Slam winning teams don't make the top 7 only the higher ranked of the two gets in.

EDIT: As for Pospisil and Sock. They got in on here on their Doubles ranking (CR of 33) so there is no need to make any exception for them.

-- Edited by RJA on Saturday 4th of October 2014 11:01:00 AM

RJA · Hall of fame

On a wider point I really don't think there is any basis for complaint. Nothing here is remotely unfair; our players simply failed to make the cut because they have not been good enough this season. Jamie and John have a combined rank of 75 which would only have gotten them into 2 Masters Series events so far this year (Miami and Madrid). Furthermore they have played 6 Masters Series events so far this year and have won just one match.

In fact they arguably benefit from not playing. The 5 mandatory zeros they have for Masters Series events, plus 1 from a Grand Slam, has a significant negative impact on their ranking.

-- Edited by RJA on Saturday 4th of October 2014 11:11:55 AM

wolf · Tennis legend

What's ridiculous is there is qualifying for 500 events but not Masters! Why?!

RJA · Hall of fame

wolf wrote:
What's ridiculous is there is qualifying for 500 events but not Masters! Why?!

Qualifying for doubles in ATP 500 events was introduced this year on a trial basis. It might get expanded to other events next year.

Floody78 · Junior player

Wardy wins 6-4 6-1 vs Troicki. A fantastic win, a main draw win would be brilliant for the Top 100 charge!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

James Ward, my man ! What an excellent result. And just more proof that some of these wins are finally being strung together and not just scattered about. Great stuff :)

Sim · County player

Great win for James. He could play Andy in round one!!

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Floody78 wrote:
Wardy wins 6-4 6-1 vs Troicki. A fantastic win, a main draw win would be brilliant for the Top 100 charge!

Fantastic win. Rapt for James.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Fantastic win. Closing in on that top 100

Bright Spark · Lower Club Player

Get Kevin Anderson in round one

stevemcqueen · Futures qualifying

That is a very, very good win! Troicki is top 50 level, no question! From the scoreline, it sounds a comfortable victory too. I don't suppose there is a match report anywhere is there?