Week 31 - Challenger (€42,500) - Segovia, Spain (Hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Week 31 - Challenger (€42,500) - Segovia, Spain (Hard)

steven · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
steven wrote:
L32: Dan Cox WR 207 v (8) Ádrian Menéndez-Maceiras (ESP) WR 195 (CH 169 in 2012)
Unless you know something I don't, Steven, I think you'll find that you've put the accent on Adrián is over the wrong "a" & if you insist on including Spanish players' matronymic, the two surnames should not be hyphenated.

You're right about the á - I've seen the first A accented too (maybe a regional thing?) but the second a is far more common.

As for the hyphenation, I'm always a bit unsure about that. I know that double surnames are usually unhyphenated in Spanish but AMM's name is hyphenated on the drawsheet, the ITF site, (even the Spanish version of) the ATP site, the grand slam sites and even on his Spanish wikipedia page, whereas not all double Spanish surnames are hyphenated in all these places. I have also seen it hyphenated on the drawsheets for events held in Spain and a quick Google search done without including the hyphen in the search just found it hyphenated on a Spanish blogger's site (http://eugeniogonz.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/challenger-furth-menendez-maceiras-y.html) and even on the website of Spain's national daily sporting newspaper, Marca http://www.marca.com/2014/07/08/tenis/1404852820.html. This tends to suggest that maybe non-hyphenation isn't ubiquitous, even in Spain, after all. confuse

steven · Tennis legend

Just to add a bit of levity, I did once see it written Adrian Menendez-MacEiras - someone clearly thinking his mother was Scottish

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

steven wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
steven wrote:
L32: Dan Cox WR 207 v (8) Ádrian Menéndez-Maceiras (ESP) WR 195 (CH 169 in 2012)
Unless you know something I don't, Steven, I think you'll find that you've put the accent on Adrián is over the wrong "a" & if you insist on including Spanish players' matronymic, the two surnames should not be hyphenated.
You're right about the á - I've seen the first A accented too (maybe a regional thing?) but the second a is far more common.
As for the hyphenation, I'm always a bit unsure about that. I know that double surnames are usually unhyphenated in Spanish but AMM's name is hyphenated on the drawsheet, the ITF site, (even the Spanish version of) the ATP site, the grand slam sites and even on his Spanish wikipedia page, whereas not all double Spanish surnames are hyphenated in all these places. I have also seen it hyphenated on the drawsheets for events held in Spain and a quick Google search done without including the hyphen in the search just found it hyphenated on a Spanish blogger's site (http://eugeniogonz.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/challenger-furth-menendez-maceiras-y.html) and even on the website of Spain's national daily sporting newspaper, Marca http://www.marca.com/2014/07/08/tenis/1404852820.html. This tends to suggest that maybe non-hyphenation isn't ubiquitous, even in Spain, after all.

I've searched the TenisSpain site, which I regard as far more authoritative than any international site & it, like me, doesn't even bother with the matronymic! wink

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

steven wrote:
Just to add a bit of levity, I did once see it written Adrian Menendez-MacEiras - someone clearly thinking his mother was Scottish

That crops up every time he's involved in a match featured on the ATP live scoreboard & I've remarked on it several times on here, but not for some time, as no one's ever bitten!

steven · Tennis legend

Obviously I took it on though

(or have just seen it on the scoreboard so many times that it has stuck - that was where I've seen it, now I think about it)

As for international sites, fair enough, but Marca is very much a Spanish site.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Brydan has been down a break during the first set but just broken back so now 4-4

A1 tennis academy · Satellite level

Yes it's tough for Lewis to hang around just for doubles let's hope it's worthwhile and gets back on track .

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Pretty good British turn out this week. I would really like to see a cohort of ten British players under 23 regularly playing challengers and being competitive outside the UK ie not complements of lots of wild cards. That would be a healthy measure of a successful transitioning process from juniors to being able to have a really good punt at top 60 as a mature senior. I could see the Golding, Bambridge, Broady generation beginning to make a dent. Is it a realistic expectation? Off to look at the rankings of players by age, may be sometime.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Lyles early year schedule is beginning to look more inspired week on week, most of those under 20 year olds in and around Kyles ranking have followed a diet of futures and challengers, kyle is about to push past most of them suggesting picking up wild cards as and when seems to work for him and he has for the most part during that period sustained his ranking to a level that has allowed direct entry into challengers if occasionally as an alternate. Ten players under 300 at the age of 23 is probably a pipe dream the Aussies with 4-5 are looking handily placed perhaps with that as a target we are well away but not quite so far off

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Brydan took the first set 7-5 and is a break up in the second.

(NB TEN players under 300 at the age of 23 for the UK ???? There's only one now and we haven't got ten under 300 for ANY age. But agree that there's good stuff going on in Australia - I mentioned after the Wimbly qualies that the Australian contingent (mostly youngsters) had looked the most impressive - and that hadn't even included the Kyrgios/Kokki twosome. Very focused. LOTS of team spirit - amazing how many were supporting the matches of the others, all the way through. Saville, Duckworth, Groth, John-Patrick - there was a good vibe around them . . . )

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

FQR: (q4) Brydan Klein WR 429 defeated (q6) Carlos Gómez (ESP) WR 436 by 5 & 2

Julien Obry (WR 331), Jorge Hernando (WC/WR 698), Gerard Granollers (WR 268) or Enrique López (WR 213) lies in wait in the first round of the MD...

indiana · Tennis legend

Re Golding, Broady and Bambridge, I would currently only see Oli as having a reasonable prospect of being top 100, presuming he does the maturing he still very much needs to do. I don't see Liam making the top 100 and actually not sure that Luke will ever get much beyond WR 200 unless he really finds some weapons.

Of course, such predictions are laced with so much uncertainty, but you did ask. And I'd love them to do much better than I am suggesting.

Clearly Kyle is the best prospect around that age and should be top 50. Above that, who know...

Unfortunately, we don't appear to have a strong crop of juniors just now, so considering them, the above players and other players currently under 23, to me we are a very long way away from having a cohort of 10 British players under 23 regularly playing challengers, let alone being competitive in them. Would love to see it though.

indiana · Tennis legend

Re Kyle, I STILL remain very unconvinced about his early year schedule and the cause and effect relationship to his current ranking.

I guess, Oakland, we will continue to think very differently on this and not something that can really be proved. Just comparing rankings movements for himself and against others doesn't do it, since that is a result of much more than scheduling.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Good win for Brydan - hope he draws the wildcard. Good chance to get 15 inside the top 400 soon

In response to Oakland, 10 inside top 300 will be a good achievement no matter what age. The talented juniors are off to US college and there is very little behind then that will make a short term impact.