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Murray's suggestion on Futures Prize Money


There is an article on the BBC site this morning where Andy Murray comments on the Futures level prize money and how the game is losing players through lack of funding. He is suggesting that the top players could help to fund the futures events.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/tennis/27496927

Oh. And decent picture of Liam too smile



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Good idea Andy. Something has to be done about Futures prize money, or tennis will just die when the current players retire.

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It is a good idea but I thought the article makes a good point in that if the tournament hosts are just instructed to play more, many will not be able to do so and there'll be less tournments. It is a tricky one, a player out of the top 100 or so is woefully underpaid as far as being a pro goes but, is not playing at a level that generates anybody any money as, the only interest there is from people like us! The money has to come from somewhere, the top pro's, the slams....maybe???

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Surely that is exactly what Andy is suggesting? That top players and tournaments could help to support the Futures, as the place where they all have to start?

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This is all very worthy stuff, but as I have mentioned (more than once cry) tennis is no different from many other occupations where there are massive rewards for getting to the top, and next to no rewards for those who don't.

The prime examples apart from sportsplayers are actors and musicians (and of course drug dealers, hence the famous chapter in Freakonomics called "Why do drug dealers live with their moms?"). In the absence of anything apart from anecdote, I don't really accept the Andy Murray hypothesis that the low rewards at the bottom result in a lack of new contenders, with a consequent decline of the talent pool.

In any case, even if there was a decline of the talent pool, would anyone actually notice? I think that almost nobody could tell the difference in standard between Djokovic and (say) Liam Brody if they watched them playing in separate matches.

(And yet millions are prepared to pay handsomely to watch Novak, while you couldn't give away tickets to watch Liam - which in itself is an interesting take on human nature. My hypothesis is that a major part of the enjoyment of going to Wimbledon, or Glastonbury, or wherever, is telling all your friends about it afterwards ... surely nobody actually enjoyed standing in the cold, busting for a pee, while watching a pale shadow of Mick Jagger murdering the Stones' back catalogue). smile



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The prize money should rise with inflation and should be 15ks and 22.5ks (replacing 10k and 15K) however i suspect the number of tournaments would drop dramatically and it would be harder for players for find tournaments and break through.

Chicken and egg.

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There needs to be a subsidy from the GS,s or something similar, not going to come from gate money.

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My presumption was always that if tennis was a sport with the demand and investment of football, then the futures would indeed have higher prize funds. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seemed simple enough that demand fuels supply and if we're talking about raising Futures prize pots by 5K and loads of Futures disappearing, then there isn't enough demand for the kind of raises. If the top players, or indeed, tennis federations, want to subsidise higher prize pots then be my guest but doesn't it gloss over bigger issues within the sport?

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The way I'd look at it is, even if you take away the assumption that the smaller events don't pay for themselves i.e no revenue/ pure cost, the fact that these prize money pots haven't risen for 20 odd years, they do in real terms now cost a helluva alot less to run, with obviously the biggest still being the prize money, although I suspect all the other costs are catching up fast, thus if federations were prepared to fork out £***** 20 odd years ago they should be able to fork out a little more in today's money by raising the prize money pool.

Interesting 1/2 hour on 5live between 10 and 10.30 tonight discussing the whole topic, lots of insight from Jamie Baker and a little bit from Liam B. about the costs and the financial viability of being a professional tennis player purely playing future events.

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There are so many complaints about tennis in the UK being an elite sport. If something isn't done about Futures prize money, that's the only way it can go - only those with parents able to afford to subsidize their children will be able to continue. Futures is the "kindergarten" for mainstream tennis - if you cut down the number of young players able to start out in Futures you are killing the future of the sport, by missing out on promising young players who just do not have the money to compete.

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Its nice to know that Andy cares about the struggling futures players lets hope his clout makes a difference 

 



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Looking at it from a different viewpoint, would more players stay in the game for longer if the prize money was improved at futures level making these tournaments more competitive, and thus make it tougher to win the increased prize money.

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Perhaps with over 2,200 ranked men's singles players and gawd knows how many more regularly trying to achieve a ranking there are just too many players trying to make some sort of living from professional competitive tennis.

The number does maybe need weeded down a bit, but clearly much better that that is by quality rather than resources.

Maybe a bit of amalgamation of tournaments with fewer, but more lucrative futures ?

It does look as if in today's market that if these sort of numbers are to remain sustainable, there needs to be some top down redistribution within tennis. Noone outside tennis owes these players a living, though tennis could maybe do more to entice interest and more general support.

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The money in tennis is mainly controlled by four grand slam tournaments, one of which was half-owned by the LTA until it gifted their (our?) rights away. That's where the money is made and needs to come from. The trouble is at the moment they're all hell bent on building mass-market amusement parks.

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A very simple first step would be to rename all future and challenger tournaments to reflect the winners points rather the total prize money. This would get round the excuse that the name can't be changed every year, and also bring them in line with ATP events like ATP250, 500.

 

 



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