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How to develop new tennis stars


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-- Edited by Ratty on Wednesday 14th of August 2013 08:26:35 PM

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There is a interesting discussion of the Chris Lewis' article "How to develop new American stars" http://wp.me/p2iyrR-kV The article has more than 60 comments from the coaches around the world: USA, Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand, etc. And you know what, I have had more than 2000 visitors from Great Britain and comments of your coaches like Gordon Wilson and others. I am sure, it is a very useful and informative article for all tennis coaches, enthusiasts and officials. Here some excerpts from the article:

"...Aside from the fact that recruitment of the most talented young players in the country invariably involves severing an existing and successful coach/player relationship, this regimented approach neglects to consider that every player is an individual with particular physical and mental attributes and a unique personality. When you attempt to coach identical strokes to all the top tennis talent in a country, you deprive those players of the opportunity to learn to counteract a variety of styles. In the main, players are practicing with and competing against mirror-images of themselves never learning to deal with the unfamiliar. By adopting uniformity, you preclude the possibility of an exceptionally talented youngster developing his or her own style, based on his or her own unique physical attributes and tendencies, and in harmony with his or her own unique personality.

Would John McEnroe have been a champion if, as a 12 year old, a Borg-like game had been imposed on him? Would it have suited his temperament to be molded into a patient, heavy-hitting baseliner? When you nationalize a particular playing style, you exclude the possibilities of innovation and creativity. By necessity, uniformity only looks backwards. It usually takes the current top player in the world as the model, and then an attempt is made to produce clones of that player, thereby excluding the possibility of the future development of playing styles as unique and radical as Connors, Borgs, McEnroes, Lendls, Beckers and Agassis were in the days when national programs didnt exist.

Would Pete Sampras have been allowed to switch to a one-handed backhand so late in his junior career? Development of unique individual tendencies cannot be planned or tracked, and is not related to previous statistical success. Because of the personal element, a national body is ill-equipped to produce champions, who, invariably, do not conform to the average of the points on a graph. Sampras late alteration was a bad idea in general, but a fantastic idea for him. A private coach adept in nurturing the personal traits of each player could help make such a decision, a national body could not.

A national body is not only in direct opposition to private coaching in philosophy and results, it is in direct competition to it in the real world, meaning the two options cannot co-exist peacefully. By establishing a national, centralized program, you quickly alienate the private coaching community when their best players are enticed away. This leads to an unhealthy us versus them mentality, with the national organization being increasingly criticized as the nationalization of player development further expands. A further decline in playing standards accompanies this expansion as private coaches lose more of their players, and become increasingly hostile towards the organization that is meant to act in their interests, not contrary to them.

Such a bureaucracy, once established, will always expand, and always use their power to regulate, not persuade. Typically, they follow a pattern like this: Someone within the organization decides that one reason why the country isnt producing players is because the national program is inheriting players who have already been ruined by incompetent coaches. Their answer, then, is to grab the players when they are even younger (more expansion). Or, a clipboard-holder in the organization then decides that every 10-and-under player in the country should conform to his desire to see them playing with shorter racquets and pressureless balls (more regulation). The consequences of this dictatorial approach are devastating to player development. Through further expansion, you deny coaches whose players have been enticed away any chance of actualizing their players potential. Consider the consequences when all the private coaches and their varied approaches to player production are deprived of the opportunity to develop their players, instead forced to watch them sacrificed to a homogenous program that demands uniformity at the expense of creativity and variety..."



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This agonising over the best way to train child tennis players reminds me of that old George Bernard Shaw quip: "If all economists were laid end-to-end, they would not reach a conclusion".

The only honest answer is of course: "I haven't got a clue".



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The article relates directly to the USTA but amazingly mirrors the exact problems ingrained within the British tennis establishment !  no



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Ah, Ratty....

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Ratty, that was one of you better ones ! Nice to know that you're still messing around in boats . . .

I would point to the fact that it says : . . . around the world, USA, Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand, . . .

I agree that this is around the world but, frankly, taking only the English-speaking countries who currently, in fact, provide a pretty small number of top tennis players seems to be missing the point.

The article bears no relevance to the national systems I have seen in Spain, Germany and France, which DO in fact provide a large number of players (and have a good mix of national and private coaching - the two are completely compatible if you set the national system up correctly). And makes no reference either to the East European countries' systems, where obviously another huge amount of players come from.

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Robert Lansdorp expresses his thoughts about a present condition of American tennis. I hope, you will find them interesting. Here are some excerpts:

"Most coaches in this country dont know much at all about coaching. They are just horrible. They know how to talk a great game and people believe them. You dont know who is great and who is not...

Another thing that is happening in this country is that every body has Academies!! Academies dont create Champions. THEY DONT !!!

But people dont want to believe me. Every club in the US has Academies and if the coach has one pretty good player he will start an Academy ! It is more money in his pocket. So the One on One has left this country.

Name me one top tenner that has come out of the Chris Evert Academy in the last 10 years? Name me one? Even top 30 player? I like Rick Macci, but who came out of his Academy in the last 10 years? And all these so, and so, Academies in clubs dont develop players. If in the past the kids were in Academies, it was always a family member running the show. They were in control...

On top of all this you have a bunch of money hungry people running the USTA Junior Development Program. Nothing good will come out of the USTA Junior Development. They are just stealing players from other coaches and then messing them up and forgetting them. What a great organization!"

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Erm, if all the coaches are crappy, then how does that fit in with your first post, that young players should be left with their coaches?

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There are not many really good coaches (who develop good players). USTA takes players from these coaches (not from others who do not produce good players).

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Didn't know where to put this . ..

For statheads everywhere, this is one guy's analysis of Sammel's stats on 'what age were the top players when breaking into the top 100' etc. etc.

Lovely graphs (although Zootennis points out that a couple of the actual stats are wrong):

www.lockerroompower.com/ds-blog/investigating-atp-top-100/

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That's fun, CD. Thank you. Amused to see that for chart showing age at entry into top 100, they've not done it to scale ... it would have a very, very long right tail if done to scale, thanks to Mr Estrella Burgos. Hurrah for Mr Estrella Burgos! Triumphing over probability and all the odds. As Mr Sammel says, "determination with intent, plus smart hard-work can achieve the 'impossible'."

More broadly, really like his comments generally about selection v bonuses, the importance of realism, and the role of determination.

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This follows on really from another Brett link in one of the men's threads, re cutting the Wimbly wildcard cut-off to 200 and cutting bonus funding:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/30032207

Bob claims he's only seen one promising youngster in the whole of Britain - don't know if he means Kyle (his photo is directly below the quote) or if he's talking about even younger. But 'one' is hardly cause to break open the champagne . . .

Some good-ish comments - he's aboslutely right that focusing on the British coaches (one of my bugbears) is key - but not really much tangible re the players except that they are, effectively, spoilt and complacent - which gets a tad boring to read over and over, and I remain unconvinced (although I heard one private coach saying similar things recently).

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I'd assume he was talking about someone younger: would be interesting to know whom he meant.

I do worry slightly about these comments that funding doesn't really matter and people got on with it before. They did, but they were generally people of certain economic means. Granted Mr Ward (James) did it solo from a family that doesn't seem to be unduly wealthy ... but it's worrying when people point to the exceptional people with exceptionally dedicated families and don't recognise that you might well, for example, have a very, very talented youngster from a family that simply couldn't or wouldn't offer support. What then?



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This little article is addressed to juniors but I feel it applies to our young adults too.

It's something I also hear a lot when I go around - the idea that you have to train with people better than yourself in order to improve.

www.theservicebox.com/parents-dont-make-robots-out-of-your-children/

And I agree with the writer, it's completely wrong, misguided and often based on a parent's misunderstanding. Which carries over into their young adulthood.

At Sutton recently, I overheard one mother saying 'I'm not going to let him be used as hitting practice for others just so they get better' - although she was the first to say that her son couldn't find any hitting partners so had limited tennis practice at all. The post re Jonny not wishing to play with the Stirling players has some sense - as long as he has other options - if he doesn't, (and even if he does), then take the advantages of the Stirling players (which he probably does - it's not pointing a finger - just saying it's a misconception that it's A1 necessary).

The top players train with people markedly lower than themselves (by definition). The idea of being 'better' is misguided anyway. You're not trying to play a match against them.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Friday 11th of March 2016 10:06:51 AM

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