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New British Tennis Role Model


Guess who! (From Sporting Life)

Bogdanovic has become something of a byword for the failings in British tennis - a talented youngster of whom great things were expected but who has failed to live up to expectations.

Seven consecutive singles defeats in Davis Cup saw the 25-year-old ostracised by former captain John Lloyd, although Smith insists the door is now open, while the LTA indicated he would no longer be considered for a Wimbledon wild card.

But, as currently the only man who would qualify for a wild card under the LTA's system of recommending anyone in the top 250, Martens not only hinted at a change of heart but also singled out Bogdanovic as something to aspire to.

Martens, who joined the LTA in 2006 and took up his current role two years ago, and Smith have been talking to current and former players in an effort to develop a strategy to reverse the slump.

The Belgian has identified two trends: British players giving up the game in their early 20s and the age at which players reach their peak increasing. And he believes it is this that must be addressed.

Martens said: "How come we don't have more men who are of the age of Boggo still playing? You can't look back one, two, three years - you can almost look back four, five, six years. What happened over that period of time?"

He continued: "The ages that people get into the top 100 are getting older and older. The average age of players is continuously moving up. It's almost 27 now.

"I think there are around 10 guys in the top 100 over 30 so it takes longer and longer before you get the younger players (coming through)."

Martens believes the lack of financial rewards on the British Tour or at smaller ITF events mean coaching is a more attractive alternative for players if they do not make rapid strides up the rankings.

So he is proposing rewarding players for victories to allow them to keep playing while also ensuring they have low-cost facilities to train at and the right coaches to support them.

He continued: "If you make that transition from a junior player, it may take another three, four, five, six years before you financially become independent.

"For many people, that becomes a very long journey. If we as a governing body are not supporting them directly, there are no sponsors around to support them, then they stop and go into coaching because it's a more safe and simple alternative."

Smith insisted it is not an example of British players having it too easy, adding: "We don't want to give handouts - we want people getting that hunger, belief, desire to win - so we do that by incentivising winning."

Martens also pleaded for patience for Britain's teenage players, like Daniel Smethurst, Dan Evans, Daniel Cox and Marcus Willis, as they attempt to climb the rankings.

"If you are at the ranking they are, they are on schedule or way ahead of schedule," said Martens. "If you look at the number of teenagers, the highest ranked player is (France's) Guillaume Rufin (at 145).

"There's only two or three teenagers in the top 200. That's reality. It's the transition from boys to men. They are boys. We have to give them time."



the odd thing is that I'm pretty sure Martens was he decision maker on Alex having his funding cut, yet 5 months later he comes out with this!!!




-- Edited by Count Zero on Tuesday 13th of April 2010 06:46:40 PM

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Very interesting !   Did something drop from a great height and knock some sense into some folk. ?!  Does that mean the LTA are going to more seriously consider funding players to an older age, having appeared to be extremely younger age biased ?!

What Maertens says re the rankings of the top teen players is true, although it does have to be said the current situation is rather untypical in there being so few high ranked teenagers. With that period coinciding with our good batch of 1990 borns it would still have been good to see some of them progressing more than they have, although of course they all still have time on their hands to yet really come through. 

Smith spoke well yesterday. Now this. If Maertens and Smith have really been sounding out varying opinions and this leads to a move away from some of the quite appalling favouritism and politicing that has seemed to pervade far too much in the past, then the future can only be brighter.  

As the Count says it does seem a real change of track for Maertens, but I guess just as they apparently now more recognise that players can come through later, maybe we can give some leeway to certain LTA folk that take some time to see the light  smile

As for Boggo, he of course deserves anything he might ever get. What would be great is if the LTA ever unambiguously clearly admitted how unfairly he has been treated in the past.  But I won't hold my breath for that. 

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 13th of April 2010 05:47:05 PM

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This is good stuff, but like you've both said, what a change of tack! Being charitable, we could look on this as evidence that they have done a proper review

I do like this idea of paying bonuses to players who go deep in overseas events - it supports the stated aim from previous years of players being more adventurous in a better way (to put it mildly) than their original 'master-plan' to achieve this of cutting back on Challengers and Futures in the UK did and should, if the bonus system is designed properly, cut out some of the favouritism.

Have they really only just worked out that using 24 as a "you're never going to make it, so we're taking funding away" cut-off is a bad thing?

It's been blindingly obvious through doing the men's top 25 table since early 2005 (that's when I started doing it on the Rusedski site) that our dearth of Challenger level players started in late 2005 (when we fleetingly had twice as many men in the top 500 as we have now) and 2006 when players in or approaching their mid-20s like Lee, Parmar, Mackin, Del, Hilton, Sherwood, Aucks, Childs & co started retiring in droves (many of them moving into coaching) and/or switching to doubles, the latter a trend which players like Fleming (somewhat forgiven because he has done quite so well in doubles), and Marray have continued.

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the thing seems to me is that Martens has no natural feel for tennis, he is purely a stats man. he thinks stats show this so it must be true. now we have our own, even a few, stats men on this board, but i think most recognise that you need to look purely beyond that as well. Take each of the players on a case by case basis. In the UK we are hardly inundated with players for them to consider so it cant be that hard a task.

i think really Martens time should be up, he dropped Boggo and Josh from AEGON in the winter. You cant say in 4 months this has all changed. the guy is a total joke, i honestly cant see any of the players having any respect for him.

take for example Paul Annacone, you don't just become a bad coach, but from everything i have heard his hands were tied and he was unable to do what he wanted. is he still with the LTA after the DC?

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was dropping Josh actually a bad decision?

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I think I like what he's saying about incentivising winning. It must be kinda soul-destroying for a 21-yr-old brit to be scraping around with future/challenger prize money while his mates back home are off getting real jobs. It might not be possible to bribe players into being successful but it's worth a try.

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Count Zero wrote:
the thing seems to me is that Martens has no natural feel for tennis, he is purely a stats man. he thinks stats show this so it must be true. now we have our own, even a few, stats men on this board, but i think most recognise that you need to look purely beyond that as well.
Absolutely - in tennis, stats on their own can be even more misleading than in other sports, e.g. rankings can be very misleading because they don't take into account the strength of opponents played (or even the strength of tournaments, since we know that prize money available is a very flawed measure of tournament strength) or margins of victory plus a player can often get a big rankings boost just because an opponent gets injured, and serve/return type stats can never tell the full story for all kinds of reasons as well. You can improve the stats (e.g. Akhenaten's rankings) but only up to a point.

That doesn't mean they're not worth having (hopefully!), but only as a starting point to flag up areas worth looking into. To take the example mentioned earlier, the stat about the drop in the number of Challenger level players in 2006 was only useful if you investigated it and tried to solve the real problem:

- that players were giving up before they peak (as they seem to have finally worked out now)

... instead of trying to 'solve' the imagined problems:

- that there were too many tournaments in the UK
- that anyone over 24 was past it and should be put out to grass



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