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RE: Johanna Konta


Coup Droit wrote:

Yes, a lot of people have come out and said that Krajan is a d**k, and it was just said out of resentment, to get noticed.

After all, Krajan himself has just been let go/sacked/maybe mutually quit as coach of the Croatian team.

He only lasted 6 months or so with Coric.

Maybe he should be a more 'dedicated and bigger worker'?


 Dominika Cibulkova said she made a mistake working with Krajan as she found him too hard and too negative.



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... Something tells me that Johanna is a "more dedicated & bigger worker than Laura is", too...


 I read somewhere in one of those"diary" type articles (for what it's worth) that when not on the tour, Jo treats her tennis as a conventional day job. Each day, 5 days a week, she starts early, will have a planned objective and at the end of the day goes home and relaxes, just like a typical office worker might. I believe Jo went to a "Steiner" first school (as did Wawrinka, I think?) where the emphasis is on the learning process as opposed to learning by rote. Steiner alumni have a reputation for achieving above expectation in all sorts of disciplines (law, medicine, sport, science, creative, etc).

Personally, I believe tennis "experts" are far too hung up on titles and how deep a player gets in tournaments. I'm not a fan of random draws and knockout tournaments as a measure of performance, as too much luck is involved and it overlooks players like Jo who also need mental coaching. Had the younger Jo received the same level of coaching Murray did, for example, she might have "blossomed" much earlier. In Jo's case, it was excellent "developmental" coaching from Esteban Carril and a sports psychologist that allowed her to progress. There was a real failure of Tennis Australia, the LTA and tennis "experts" to recognise her potential. 

In Laura's and Heather's case it was much easier to identify their potential from their early results. Much as I enjoy watching and supporting Heather, who plays a very traditional (and expert friendly) style of tennis, its Jo's specialised weapons and less conventional, offensive tennis that's the more exciting and successful. I get a similar buzz from watching Dan Evans, Katie B and Dart.


 You write about the coaching and  the help Jo got. I'm sure this is purely coincidental but Jo's career took off when the LTA stopped funding her. At that stage in December 2014, Jo was already 23 and a half and had only been in the top 100 briefly.  Would you have continued funding her  at that stage? We didn't know then how successful her career was going to turn out. Apart from her coaches in 2015,we should also  probably thank Chiraco, Muguruza and Petkovic whom she beat in 2015 US Open thus giving her enough money at the time to keep her career going for 2016 and beyond.  



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Johanna Konta's appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off for Stand Up to Cancer is on Channel 4 on Tuesday 24 March at 8pm

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ROSAMUND wrote:

 You write about the coaching and  the help Jo got. I'm sure this is purely coincidental but Jo's career took off when the LTA stopped funding her. At that stage in December 2014, Jo was already 23 and a half and had only been in the top 100 briefly.  Would you have continued funding her  at that stage? We didn't know then how successful her career was going to turn out. Apart from her coaches in 2015,we should also  probably thank Chiraco, Muguruza and Petkovic whom she beat in 2015 US Open thus giving her enough money at the time to keep her career going for 2016 and beyond.  


 Jo's career really took off after Carril introduced her to the sports the psychologist Juan Coto. I guess had Jo been unable to fund that, her career would have stalled and GB would have missed out on a significant talent. It does suggest that Carril understood Jo's needs far better than the LTA. So you could say, the LTA had failed Jo (and by implication GB) well before they decided to cut her funding. I think I read somewhere that the cut actually came after Jo teamed up with Carril and Coto which makes it look even more bizarre!  Were there indications as to how successful Jo would be?

Well, Carril thought so, for starters. Jo's work ethic has never been in doubt (I believe she actually lived-in at the NTC?). There was that 3 set epic with McHale on her 2012 Wimbledon debut. A reputation for loosing from a winning position, which should have told the LTA something about what development Jo needed. Jo herself is critical of the LTA funding cuts and I don't think she was the only victim, Naome Broady springs to mind.



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First of all there are a lot of people who think Naomi Broady was badly treated by the LTA. Secondly  I've read this on the internet  but Bob Brett in his time with the LTA wasn't very impressed with Jo which is why her funding came to be cut. Thirdly perhaps with no actual tennis at the moment  we could  go back in time and look at Jo's career rankings.(info from tennis abstract) Jo first appeared in the rankings on 28th July 2008. She didn't have the benefit of wildcards that she might have had, had she  stayed in Australia or had some family connection with the UK and thus took years to become a British citizen. On 17th September 2012 she got inside the top 200(147 in fact) after a win at the 2012 US Open (beating Hungarian Timea Babos. If you want to hear Jo speaking Hungarian there is an interview  on youtube with her after that match with a Hungarian commentator) Moving on Jo had 4 weeks in the top 100 between 23rd June 2014 and 14th July 2014. However by 22nd June 2015 ( just before Eastbourne) her ranking was down to 146 and on 17th August 2015 ,her ranking was 114. She then had ranking points from winning Vancouver,last 16 US Open  and quarter finals Wuhan. On the 12th October 2015 at the age of 24 she cracked the top 50    at number 47 and has remained in the world top 50 ever since. My question is how did somebody who had played  pro tennis for 7 years and barely get into the top 100, suddenly crack it in 4 tournaments and stay in the top 50 for the next 4.5 years? Or was it just one of those once in a generation happenings?  I know other players have risen up the rankings suddenly but they haven't spent 7 years on the ITF circuit beforehand. The only other player I can think of who had a similar rise is Mihaela Buzarnescu of Rumania who was on the circuit from 2004  onwards  and  was in the top 100 in both 2017 and 2018 reaching number 20 at one stage in 2018  at the age of 30.  But then she suffered an injury and her current ranking is 120.  We live in hope that one of the  other British girls will have a similar rise. 



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ROSAMUND wrote:

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... My question is how did somebody who had played  pro tennis for 7 years and barely get into the top 100, suddenly crack it in 4 tournaments and stay in the top 50 for the next 4.5 years? Or was it just one of those once in a generation happenings?  I know other players have risen up the rankings suddenly but they haven't spent 7 years on the ITF circuit beforehand. ....  We live in hope that one of the  other British girls will have a similar rise. 


 Jo's Wikipedia entry says:

At the start of 2014, she split from Picot for personal reasons.[271] In August 2014, when the LTA decided to close the National Tennis Centre as a base for elite players, Konta began working with Spanish coach Esteban Carril.[271] At the end of 2014, Konta began receiving help from mental coach Juan Coto, a friend of Carril's based in London.[272][273] A dramatic cut in her LTA funding for 2015 encouraged Konta to move her training base to Gijon in northern Spain, where Esteban Carril and Jose-Manuel Garcia oversaw an increasingly rapid rise up the rankings. Supporters of the LTA's austerity drive argued this was a benefit of their tough love policy,[274][275] though Konta disagreed that that was the case.[276] After her mental coach Coto died suddenly in November 2016,[277] Konta maintained that she would continue to benefit from his influence: "Hes still very much a part of everything that I do, everything that I will continue to do in this sport and this career. He has gifted me with an incredible amount of tools and habits".[278]  "

A BBC interview with Russel Fuller says:

" Konta reached the last 16 of this year's US Open, but does not believe she was driven to that success by the cut in her funding.She said: "The success that followed after that is because of the people I had around me."My coaches made a decision to stick by me and to continue our work and they sheltered me from a lot of the issues that were going on."I think if I hadn't had my support system, then nothing would have happened - none of the results would have come."  "

One might possibly conclude that Jo suffers more than most with on court anxiety and even panic. Things she has often alluded to but without being explicit. This would explain her rapid rise after working with Coto and her (post 2017 Wimbledon) decline after his death. The following BBC interview between Russel Fuller and Jo's sports psychologist at the time of the Daily Express ambush of Jo at the 2019 Wimbledon press conference, is also illuminating and helps explain her amazing recovery last year:

" ... [sports psychologist Lorenzo] Beltrame, who has been assisting the 28-year-old for just over a year, added: "The last thing we want to do is create a rule that when she's favourite, she can't come through."I don't see the value in making a rule out of the statement for future matches. I think it is something we might have discussed, but it didn't appear to be an issue in her mind, and that is great."Konta faced a similar situation at the French Open when after beating the seventh seed Sloane Stephens in the quarter-final, she lost to the world number 38 Marketa Vondrousova in straight sets in the last four."I don't want her to be bombarded by this type of doubts," Beltrame continued."Hopefully she will have another opportunity sooner or later, maybe even at the US Open, and not have to deal with these type of thoughts undermining her confidence."The Italian, who has previously worked with Pete Sampras and Jim Courier, has been with Konta while she has enjoyed a climb back up the rankings. She had dropped to 50 after last year's Wimbledon, but is projected to rise to 15 after this year's championships. Beltrame says Konta was "not in a great place" when they started out. The two are now in contact virtually every day and in their conversation after the quarter-final, Beltrame says they focussed on how she felt emotionally, physically and emotionally during the match. "



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... My question is how did somebody who had played  pro tennis for 7 years and barely get into the top 100, suddenly crack it in 4 tournaments and stay in the top 50 for the next 4.5 years? Or was it just one of those once in a generation happenings?  I know other players have risen up the rankings suddenly but they haven't spent 7 years on the ITF circuit beforehand. ....  We live in hope that one of the  other British girls will have a similar rise. 


 Jo's Wikipedia entry says:

At the start of 2014, she split from Picot for personal reasons.[271] In August 2014, when the LTA decided to close the National Tennis Centre as a base for elite players, Konta began working with Spanish coach Esteban Carril.[271] At the end of 2014, Konta began receiving help from mental coach Juan Coto, a friend of Carril's based in London.[272][273] A dramatic cut in her LTA funding for 2015 encouraged Konta to move her training base to Gijon in northern Spain, where Esteban Carril and Jose-Manuel Garcia oversaw an increasingly rapid rise up the rankings. Supporters of the LTA's austerity drive argued this was a benefit of their tough love policy,[274][275] though Konta disagreed that that was the case.[276] After her mental coach Coto died suddenly in November 2016,[277] Konta maintained that she would continue to benefit from his influence: "Hes still very much a part of everything that I do, everything that I will continue to do in this sport and this career. He has gifted me with an incredible amount of tools and habits".[278]  "

A BBC interview with Russel Fuller says:

" Konta reached the last 16 of this year's US Open, but does not believe she was driven to that success by the cut in her funding.She said: "The success that followed after that is because of the people I had around me."My coaches made a decision to stick by me and to continue our work and they sheltered me from a lot of the issues that were going on."I think if I hadn't had my support system, then nothing would have happened - none of the results would have come."  "

One might possibly conclude that Jo suffers more than most with on court anxiety and even panic. Things she has often alluded to but without being explicit. This would explain her rapid rise after working with Coto and her (post 2017 Wimbledon) decline after his death. The following BBC interview between Russel Fuller and Jo's sports psychologist at the time of the Daily Express ambush of Jo at the 2019 Wimbledon press conference, is also illuminating and helps explain her amazing recovery last year:

" ... [sports psychologist Lorenzo] Beltrame, who has been assisting the 28-year-old for just over a year, added: "The last thing we want to do is create a rule that when she's favourite, she can't come through."I don't see the value in making a rule out of the statement for future matches. I think it is something we might have discussed, but it didn't appear to be an issue in her mind, and that is great."Konta faced a similar situation at the French Open when after beating the seventh seed Sloane Stephens in the quarter-final, she lost to the world number 38 Marketa Vondrousova in straight sets in the last four."I don't want her to be bombarded by this type of doubts," Beltrame continued."Hopefully she will have another opportunity sooner or later, maybe even at the US Open, and not have to deal with these type of thoughts undermining her confidence."The Italian, who has previously worked with Pete Sampras and Jim Courier, has been with Konta while she has enjoyed a climb back up the rankings. She had dropped to 50 after last year's Wimbledon, but is projected to rise to 15 after this year's championships. Beltrame says Konta was "not in a great place" when they started out. The two are now in contact virtually every day and in their conversation after the quarter-final, Beltrame says they focussed on how she felt emotionally, physically and emotionally during the match. "


 Thanks for your in depth response to my question TTMan.When Jo started her rise in 2015 it was the  time of Laura Robson's return. This might have helped Jo because there was more pressure and attention on Laura at the time. 



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flamingowings wrote:

Johanna Konta's appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off for Stand Up to Cancer is on Channel 4 on Tuesday 24 March at 8pm


 They had a brief preview of Jo's show at the end of the Bake Off shown on 17th March. According to  the Radio Times  review Jo uses language you would not normally associate wifh her. This might be because the cooking goes wrong. In the current climate players would be struggling to be able to practice. In her latest postings Jo looks like she is doing a home work out with Bono. I wonder how she is rehabbing  her knee injury?



-- Edited by ROSAMUND on Wednesday 18th of March 2020 07:08:20 AM

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Johanna Konta's appearance on The Great Celebrity Bake Off for Stand Up to Cancer is on Channel 4 on Tuesday 24 March at 8pm


 They had a brief preview of Jo's show at the end of the Bake Off shown on 17th March. According to  the Radio Times  review Jo uses language you would not normally associate wifh her. This might be because the cooking goes wrong. In the current climate players would be struggling to be able to practice. In her latest postings Jo looks like she is doing a home work out with Bono. I wonder how she is rehabbing  her knee injury?



-- Edited by ROSAMUND on Wednesday 18th of March 2020 07:08:20 AM


 Well Jo and company provided entertainment on the Celebrity  Bake Off.  Looking at  her social media accounts Jo has gym equipment such as weights in her own flat. What I've read that she doesn't  have currently is  access to the leg press machine that she uses for her knee rehabilitation.



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ROSAMUND wrote:

 Well Jo and company provided entertainment on the Celebrity  Bake Off.  Looking at  her social media accounts Jo has gym equipment such as weights in her own flat. What I've read that she doesn't  have currently is  access to the leg press machine that she uses for her knee rehabilitation.


 Jo was up against three celebrities who speak / perform in front of a camera for a living yet she still gave a good show on the entertainment front I thought? All good fun for a good cause. Thought her "sausage" looked at its best from above, in the pictures.

As for the leg press, you'd have thought top athlete's could have access to what they required for training and injury recovery, whilst maintaining social distancing? but I guess we have to be seen to be all in it together.



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I see that a number of our players have received equipment from the LTA to let them continue training - not sure how far down the rankings it goes though, and there may be more as time goes on.

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I see that a number of our players have received equipment from the LTA to let them continue training - not sure how far down the rankings it goes though, and there may be more as time goes on.


 Can you please tell me where you found this info? It may be of interest to at least a couple of players who I know.



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I saw it on twitter and instagram - various players posting. I'll have a look later and make a list. Liam Broady and Jodie Burrage were two.

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Dan Evans, Jack Draper, Paul Jubb all via twitter

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Harriet has equipment, Katy Dunne has been set up by her brother.

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