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The Akhenaten Rankings


These are the ratings I've been working on. I think they are pretty good now. Shows how under-ranked Skupski, Cox and Evans are, and how over-rated Seator is.

RankNameRating
7Andy Murray810.6
58Tim Henman692.3 (717.8)
226Alex Bogdanovic558.1
275Jamie Baker537.2
333Richard Bloomfield510.7
390Joshua Goodall485.6
590Kenneth Skupski411.1
613Chris Eaton402.6
639Miles Kasiri392
640Ian Flanagan392
706Alexander Slabinsky372.6
708Neil Bamford371.5
725James Ward362.4
800Daniel Cox334.4
807Tom Rushby332.4
815Matthew Smith328.7
861Daniel Evans313.7
898David Brewer304.7
922Edward Allinson298.1
943Richard Brooks287.1
982Myles Blake275.5
992Tim Hewitt272.1
1005David Rice268.6
1059Joshua Milton256.1
1081Edward Seator248.5
1101Richard Irwin243.9
1137Matthew Illingworth232.6
1145Harry Skinner230.6
1170Andrew Kennaugh222.6
1176Marcus Willis220.4 (257.1)
1187Alexander Farquharson216.8 (259.6)
1209Richard Wire206.1 (242.8)
1284Jagdev Sagoo183.7 (214.7)
1332Alan Wright168.6 (199.6)
1356Ross Connolly162
1357Sean Thornley161.6
1372Jonathan Kinsella156.8
1410Ben Pritchard146.6
1427Neil Pauffley141.2 (184)
1433Andrew Hamar140 (299)
1434Scott Dickson139 (202.5)
1445Max Jones135.6 (225.4)
1447Tim Bradshaw133.9
1449Iain Atkinson133.7 (164.7)
1475Chris Llewellyn122 (142.4)
1489Jamie Feaver116.6
1509Oscar Podlewski110.2
1558Philip Barlow96.3
1562Joshua Miller95
1572Maniel Bains92 (107.5)
1574Dan Smethurst91.5 (128.2)
1575David Baxendine91.1
1598Luke Campbell80.4
1612Kyle Brassington77.1
1618Chris Priddle74.7
1727Ekow Carboo31.6 (121.3)
1819Burnham Arlidge-7 (35.8)
1839Andrew Fitzpatrick-15.6 (15.4)
1840Dan Cottier-15.8 (-13.6)
1860Matt Brooklyn-28.3 (112.6)
1864Jeffrey Zungunde-29.4 (42.1)
1867Adam Barratclough-31.1 (150.3)
1869Pete Francis-33.1 (56.6)
1882George Coupland-39.2 (41)
1885Ned Boone-39.8 (-14.3)
1899Orion Modebe-48.3 (0.9)
1907James Richardson-50.8 (38.9)
1935Alexander Ward-62.8 (-42.3)
1981Tom Knights-83.9 (57)
1985Benjamin Levi-85.4
2026Amadeus Fulford-Jones-106.2

(The number is brackets, is what that player would have been ranked if they had played over 25 matches in the last year.)


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ehats the rating mean is 1000 top?

also how come player have moved down the rankings?

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Can you explain how these rankings work?  What are the scores based on?

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I would guess that these ratings are based on the rankings of the players they defeat mainly rather than a generic number of points for each win.

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Yes. It's based on the ratings of the opposition.

This is the basic premise of it...

Diff in ratings   % chance of victory
+400               100
+300                 98
+200                 94
+100                 77
+50                   65
+25                   58
+10                   53
0                       50
-10                    47
-25                    42
-50                    35
-100                  23
-200                    6
-300                    2
-400                    0

So these are the chances of various players beating Boggo...
Andy Murray    97%
Jamie Baker    44%
Bloomfield       36%
Goodall           29%
Skupski           13%
Ward                 7%
Seator               1%

To calculate a player's new rating the formula is...
    13 * (Result - Chance of Victory)

(It's a bit more complicated than that in that it takes into account the score, surface and the player's age too.)

Eg. if Boggo played Skupski
... and Skupski won - Skupski's rating would increase by 13*(1-0.13) = 11.3, and Boggo's would fall by 11.3
... and Skupski lost - Skupski's rating would fall by 13*(0-0.13) = 1.7, and Boggo's would fall by 1.7


Although there is no limit of 1000. I calibrated it around that. Federer's current rating is 981.

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Does that mean that Joshua Milton's victory this morning, over a guy ranked almost 450 places above him, means he rises by 13*(1-0)=13 points, to 269.1 - or have I missed something? Do I need to know his opponent's ranking in YOUR table to make the calculation, rather then his ranking in the ATP lists?

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Very interesting - looks like a slightly simplified Elo rating system with surface adjustments, though I'm intrigued as to how you adjust for age. Sad as it looks, particularly re. the Boggo-Josh line-up, it's probably quite a lot more accurate than the real rankings and probably gets more accurate the further down the list you go as well.

Even more intriguing is: how on earth did you manage to collect all the data to do this? I've been interested in the idea of doing something similar for a couple of years, but not being able to get hold of the massive amount of data that would be needed in an easy to use format has always put me off.



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would federer be ranked as no1 using this system as he can only ever bt lower ranked players.

also most players ranking move around all the time during the year dont they

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DJ wrote:

Does that mean that Joshua Milton's victory this morning, over a guy ranked almost 450 places above him, means he rises by 13*(1-0)=13 points, to 269.1 - or have I missed something? Do I need to know his opponent's ranking in YOUR table to make the calculation, rather then his ranking in the ATP lists?




It's the opponent's rating (not ranking) in my table it uses.

So Milton/Marek example...
Milton was rated 256.1.
Marek was rated 390.6. 
That's difference of 134.4, which equates to a 16% chance of a Milton victory.

So Josh Milton's rating would rise by 13 * (1-0.16) = 10.9.



 

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steven wrote:

Even more intriguing is: how on earth did you manage to collect all the data to do this? I've been interested in the idea of doing something similar for a couple of years, but not being able to get hold of the massive amount of data that would be needed in an easy to use format has always put me off.




It's all from SteveG pages. I wrote something that downloads the results into an Access database.

 



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Right, got it, thanks.
It does mean, however, that we out here can't make sensible use - for our own interest, that is - of your table without having the whole of it, not just the Brit bits, accessible to us; equally, only the up-to-date version would be of use. Do you update it every week? Would it be something you would care to share with us on a regular basis?
I'm looking forward to reading your response to Steven's queries, too.
Thanks for providing us with us, as well as your African fantasies!

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Count Zero wrote:

would federer be ranked as no1 using this system as he can only ever bt lower ranked players.

also most players ranking move around all the time during the year dont they




Federer is no.1, yes.  If Federer played Andy Murray for 11 times in a row, he'd have to win 10 times, and lose once, for his (& Andy's) rating to stay the same.

If he won all 11 times his rating would rise.
If he won less than 10 times, his rating would fall.




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And Steven, yes it is based on the ELO system.

The age adjustment, is there so that the ratings rise (or fall) quicker for under 21s. It's that constant of 13 that changes.

18 & Under - 26
19 -             22
20 -             17
21 & Over -  13

As that age their ability changes far quicker than when older.

Also it adjusts that constant to make matches played when under 18 less important. eg. If someone plays a match at 14 years old, and didn't play again until he was 18, that initial match's constant is 6 times less important.

Because a player's ability at 14, bares little resemblance to a player's ability at 18.


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my ability at 14 was higher than my ability at 18, but lower than my ability now smile.gif

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RankName
Rating
1Roger FedererSUI980.6 
2Rafael NadalESP877.7 
3David FerrerESP835.7 
4Andy RoddickUSA833 
5Novak DjokovicSRB832.9 
6David NalbandianARG831 
7Andy MurrayGBR810.7 
8Marcos BaghdatisCYP795.8 
9Lleyton HewittAUS794.6 
10James BlakeUSA791.4 
11Nikolay DavydenkoRUS788.5 
12Richard GasquetFRA787.2 
13Tomas BerdychCZE786.4 
14Ivo KarlovicCRO782 
15Nicolas KieferGER779.9 
16Mikhail YouzhnyRUS771 
17Radek StepanekCZE769.6 
18Paul-Henri MathieuFRA769.4 
19Mario AncicCRO766.6 
20Tommy HaasGER759.7 
21Fernando GonzalezCHI758.8 
22Carlos MoyaESP758 
23Guillermo CanasARG755.3 
24Juan MonacoARG754.4 
25Stanislas WawrinkaSUI752.7 
26Fernando VerdascoESP751.8 
27Tommy RobredoESP747.6 
28Juan Carlos FerreroESP745.4 
29Jo-Wilfried TsongaFRA740.3 
30Juan Martin del PotroARG738.6 
31Igor AndreevRUS738.6 
32Ivan LjubicicCRO737.5 
33Jarkko NieminenFIN734.2 
34Dmitry TursunovRUS727.7 
35Sebastien GrosjeanFRA722.6 
36Philipp KohlschreiberGER718.2 
37Nicolas AlmagroESP716.8 
38Feliciano LopezESP716.1 
39Gilles SimonFRA714 
40Juan Ignacio ChelaARG712.7 
41Gael MonfilsFRA712.5 
42Fabrice SantoroFRA711.9 
43Mardy FishUSA709.8 
44Thomas JohanssonSWE709.2 
45Marat SafinRUS707.4 
46Alejandro FallaCOL705.3 
47Stefan KoubekAUT704.9 
48Ernests GulbisLAT703.3 
49Agustin CalleriARG700.8 
50Robby GinepriUSA700.4 
51Marin CilicCRO700.3 
52Jose AcasusoARG699.4 
53Victor HanescuROU698.6 
54Andrei PavelROU697.3 
55Hyung-Taik LeeKOR696 
56Marc GicquelFRA694.5 
57Andreas SeppiITA693.3 
58Tim HenmanGBR692.4 (718)
59Xavier MalisseBEL692.4 (741.6)
60Arnaud ClementFRA692 
61Potito StaraceITA691.7 
62Olivier RochusBEL689 
63Nicolas MahutFRA688.4 
64Janko TipsarevicSRB687.1 
65Nicolas LapenttiECU686.7 
66Filippo VolandriITA684.9 
67Michael BerrerGER684.2 
68Evgueni KorolevRUS683 
69Steve DarcisBEL678.9 
70Jurgen MelzerAUT678.4 
71Sergio RoitmanARG678.2 
72Alberto MartinESP677.7 
73Julien BenneteauFRA677.2 
74Maximo GonzalezARG672 
75Thierry AscioneFRA669.3 
76Rainer SchuettlerGER667.6 
77Dudi SelaISR665.2 
78Frank DancevicCAN664.9 
79Kristof VliegenBEL664.6 
80Marcos DanielBRA663.5 
81Michael ZverevGER662.4 
82Luis HornaPER659.6 
83Simone BolelliITA658.4 
84Fabio FogniniITA655.7 
85Jan HernychCZE655.4 
86Michael LlodraFRA655.4 
87Martin Vassallo-ArguelloARG655 
88Roko KaranusicCRO654 
89Paul CapdevilleCHI654 
90Vince SpadeaUSA653.6 
91Florian MayerGER653.6 
92Albert MontanesESP653 
93Donald YoungUSA653 
94Marcel GranollersESP651.9 
95Samuel QuerreyUSA650.2 
96Jonas BjorkmanSWE648.3 
97Boris PashanskiSRB646.9 
98Wayne OdesnikUSA645.4 
99Robert KendrickUSA643.3 
100Nicolas MassuCHI642.3


-- Edited by Akhenaten at 16:14, 2007-12-10

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