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ATP entry list bombshell


The ATP are trying to prevent the steveg site and MTF from publishing entry lists in advance. They were never "official" publishings, just from people who had access to the ATP Playerzone site where they are shown; now the ATP is saying the lists cannot be published until the Tournament Directors publish them.

Now, I usually help out on the rankings threads by looking at the entry lists to find out who is playing where each week.  I can tell you now that this is going to be very inaccurate if this happens - not to mention more time-consuming, having to find each separate tournament website instead of just steveg for ATP and Challenger tournaments.  Tournament Directors do not always publish the full lists; and if they do, they frequently withhold details of withdrawals, presumably in the hope that if people do not know their favourite player has withdrawn they will still turn up and pay their entrance fees.

It means accurate information will not be available until the actual draws are published right at the last minute.

I cannot seriously imagine that this information being known among tennis "geeks" such as ourselves is going to make any serious inroads into ticket sales - and for some, may even be detrimental as people may make arrangements to travel to tournaments because they know, from the entry lists, that certain players are likely to play if they are near the top of the alternate lists - and the tournaments NEVER publish those.

Sorry for the long whinge but this has been festering in my mind since I first heard and I needed to get it off my chest!

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hmm - time to set up a messageboard based in Russia for posting the entry lists onto: watch the ATP try to stop that!!

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it is obvious why, its to keep the big name wthdrawls sceret. cant see any other reason for it.

prob tournament directors complining, when all they are doing is ripping off the fans.

its a real shame, we wil ljust have to 'guess ' where everyone save andy and tim is playing, maybe alex if he makes atp reguarly, ut the other will be a night mare, most challenegr are awful with entry lists.

thing is is entry lists private data? can atp close down steveg?

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Count Zero wrote:

thing is is entry lists private data? can atp close down steveg?



The data is open to any player, coach or agent with access to the ATP player zone - must be 5,000 active players with an IPIN - I don't know if ex- players can still access it - if so there must be 50,000 people who can access the data.

However, I'm sure their terms and conditions of getting access include something about not publishing the data - so whoever gives the data to Super Fabio is probably taking a (bit) of a risk.

That said, it'd be hard for the ATP to prove any damages - how could they lose money from this data getting out?

Could they sue steveg for publishing it?  I doubt it.

Could they make his life so difficult that he'd be forced to stop running his site? I'm sure they could.

- so I guess the answer is for the data to go underground - to a new site, hosted in a country where the ATP would find it very hard to influence, and with the postings coming from Hyper- Davio instead.....

then steveg could say to them:  "look at this: at least when it was me, you could email me when something dodgy happened and I'd take it down immediately: now you've no control over this whatsoever: why don't you let me open up my forums again, and at least there'll be somewhere that the tennis geeks can trust out there.....On the other hand, why don't you just publish the lists yourself: you have all the data!"



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I noticed this too, what a complete farce. I think the best thing to do would be for everyone who cares about this to email the ATP - there must be heaps of people on steveg, MTF, here, etc combined.

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