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That does sound good value! Gate got 1700 today, Good for gate but we don't get top crowds. I suspect orient in 2 weeks time will draw 2000 and maybe Wrexham just after, although midweek. I paid 16 quid for me, 10 for my son as a student, two beers added six and two sausage sandwiches took it to 40 as well or just over. Compared to a premier league match where we might have paid three times that. Priced out!

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Wealdstone have good loyal and noisy support. They came up to Southport in the trophy. Brought a couple of hundred and made a lot of noise.

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Yep agreed, a pleasant surprise to hear such volume from the away end. Probably 100 max but all singing at full volume.


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Just been reading about the Scottish Challenge Cup, sounds like a very innovative competition. All the Scottish teams below top division, u21 teams from premier division, some teams from Highland and lowland leagues and then 2 each from Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and from English national league level.

Good for them and interesting to follow.

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Just been reading about the Scottish Challenge Cup, sounds like a very innovative competition. All the Scottish teams below top division, u21 teams from premier division, some teams from Highland and lowland leagues and then 2 each from Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and from English national league level.

Good for them and interesting to follow.


It's been expanding evermore in recent years. For the first however many years it was just a competition for all our non Premiership league teams. But the Welsh came in, then the Irish and Highland and Lowland teams. And we now have Premiership U21 teams and English National League teams. 

I can't quite make up my mind whether it is now really interesting or become a bit of a pig's breakfast with some relatively expensive trips. Who joins in next I wonder ...



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I used to love the Welsh cup in the 70/80s when Worcester were a top non league side and often progressed to the later rounds to take on the big Welsh football league clubs. We often did quite well and so it was a bit of late season excitement given the FACup is an autumnal event for non league football generally.

Already lining up the Boxing Day match local options are Wolves v Liverpool or Stourport Swifts v Worcester City in all seriousness the later is looking a much better option £12+£5+£5 (2 U18) plus food. Dont have to hunt for tickets (Wolves capacity only 32k), not a neutral and a new ground in a beautiful bit of Worcestershire to experience vs better standard of football from a distance, neutral fan, well over £100 when you add in food but to be fair the atmosphere will be scalding.

The Moleneuix is the first ground on which I saw a first division football match and untouched by property developers since the Wolves moved in in 1889! 7/9/1889 Wolves beat Notts County in one of the first ever league games in front of 4K (has a very Boxing Day bumper non league crowd feel to it).

Like Sulphurite John I have the first world problem of being priced out by college fees nibbling the savings and taking a chunk out of the disposable income alternatively I could quit Tennis (little net negative effect on anyone else but the equivalent of banning singing in the shower which I think is a fundamental human right)



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I used to love the Welsh cup in the 70/80s when Worcester were a top non league side and often progressed to the later rounds to take on the big Welsh football league clubs. We often did quite well and so it was a bit of late season excitement given the FACup is an autumnal event for non league football generally.

Already lining up the Boxing Day match local options are Wolves v Liverpool or Stourport Swifts v Worcester City in all seriousness the later is looking a much better option £12+£5+£5 (2 U18) plus food. Dont have to hunt for tickets (Wolves capacity only 32k), not a neutral and a new ground in a beautiful bit of Worcestershire to experience vs better standard of football from a distance, neutral fan, well over £100 when you add in food but to be fair the atmosphere will be scalding.

The Moleneuix is the first ground on which I saw a first division football match and untouched by property developers since the Wolves moved in in 1889! 7/9/1889 Wolves beat Notts County in one of the first ever league games in front of 4K (has a very Boxing Day bumper non league crowd feel to it).

Like Sulphurite John I have the first world problem of being priced out by college fees nibbling the savings and taking a chunk out of the disposable income alternatively I could quit Tennis (little net negative effect on anyone else but the equivalent of banning singing in the shower which I think is a fundamental human right)



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 10th of September 2018 07:03:24 AM


 Indeed, you got it. My wife has been desparate to go on Holiday at October and I have just negotiated putting it off until Easter to help build up some funds! As a self employed person working on a day rate, any day i am not working is a day not earning - holidays now in my small mind end up costing twice as much, the holiday itself, and the lost earnings over a week or two!

A very first world problem!

   



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Times ran a great article today on harrogate and it's owner and manager Irving and Simon weaver. I'd been trying to persuade my friend on the guardian to do the same piece but the Times got there first!

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The mightiest beast of the printed press "The non league paper" is brimming with all things Harrogate and errrr Billericay, #FC ( very innovative concept!), Aldershot racism scandal, FA Cup first round qualifying drama..... Kevin Lisbie inspired Cray Valley Papermill nearly toppling a Bostick premiership outfit .... Bumper crowds at Stockport and FC Utd ... who would have thought proper football was so popular in Manchester, Jeff Stelling on Hartlepools reinvigoration etc.....

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The mightiest beast of the printed press "The non league paper" is brimming with all things Harrogate and errrr Billericay, #FC ( very innovative concept!), Aldershot racism scandal, FA Cup first round qualifying drama..... Kevin Lisbie inspired Cray Valley Papermill nearly toppling a Bostick premiership outfit .... Bumper crowds at Stockport and FC Utd ... who would have thought proper football was so popular in Manchester, Jeff Stelling on Hartlepools reinvigoration etc.....


 I'll take a look at that . I noticed quite a few level 10 teams got through to 2 nd qualifying round of the fa cup, the level 6 clubs join at this stage so chance for some big upsets perhaps. 

 

The Times highlighted how the father and son owner manager relationship created stability when many a club may have sacked their manager . 

 

Also the fact that going to an artificial pitch really opened up the club to the community and 7 days a week usage- IF ( and clearly a big if) they did get promoted,  the pitch would need to go back to grass,,  so some big decisions to make for them and the other half dozen clubs in a similar position 



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A very difficult decision re synthetic pitches, at non league level they make clubs viable as their flexibility and durability allows additional income streams but! Win the league and its instant relegation if you fail to convert to grass and take your place in the football league! Sounds harsh but the flow of clubs between league 2 and the Conference I think has been immensely beneficial as Orient have found out its not the end just a new beginning for most.

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Loved the tweet today at bottom of BBC story on George weah playing a match at 51 for Liberia

George weah is the only serving world president to score in 3 competitive fixtures versus Gillingham!

Hard to argue with that. Kudos

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That does sound good value! Gate got 1700 today, Good for gate but we don't get top crowds. I suspect orient in 2 weeks time will draw 2000 and maybe Wrexham just after, although midweek. I paid 16 quid for me, 10 for my son as a student, two beers added six and two sausage sandwiches took it to 40 as well or just over. Compared to a premier league match where we might have paid three times that. Priced out!


Just to note I am paying £20 for my away ticket to see the mighty Seagulls on Monday!

Actually the £30 cap on away tickets in Premier is a great idea (it actually cost me more to see us away in the Championship!)

Don't get me wrong I'm sure the novelty of just trying to stay up each year will wear off and I do miss the days of going to the likes of Sudbury and Kingstonian in the FA Cup 1st round, but as a fan of 45 years  I am trying to enjoy this time as much as possible (I still remember needing a draw at Hereford to stay in the league) 



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Excellent, who are Brighton playing on Monday night? I think Chris Hughton is doing a great job and hope they aspire to more than just staying up!

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Southampton (Sky seem to like to promote it as a south coast derby even though we don't really care about each other)

We should be ok this season but every team spends millions so its hard to progress much

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