ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

RE: ATP & WTA rankings of the 25th best Brits over time

johnnylad · Tennis legend

15 top 400?

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, I remember saying months ago that 20 in the top 500 was quite unrealistic. I mean we've only reached 19 and look how far that 20th guy, Josh Goodall, is now away.

The good thing is I'm not really into eating hats !!

Josh, you sure you don't want one last go at challenger qualifying next week ?!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

I was really going to enjoy watching you eat that hat Indi but maybe it wasn't to be after all.

Personally, I blame Sloane Stevens.

indiana · Tennis legend

Well, the expected bad news has arrived in that Josh Goodall's 63 points only have him at WR 509 in the 23/09 rankings.

However, the rather compensatory news is that we were not just that one match ( Josh's Roehampton final loss ) away from 20 in the top 500. Because Josh Milton has missed out too, being WR 501 on 66 points.

And how frustrating would that have been if Josh G had won that final, gone onto 71 points and clearly top 500, but we still missed out on the 20 in top 500 target because Josh M was WR 502 on 66 points with most players on 66 points actually in the top 500.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
With Josh G playing in consecutive 10K's in the UK and Broady over in Israel for two consecutive weeks(usually weak events). There is a chance they can jump into the top 500 after week 42 points are added.
The bad news for Bob is that Oli will drop out, so would have to rely on Josh Milton and Neil Pauffley to get back in the top 500.

It might happen....

I was studying this yesterday but didn't want to tempt fate by posting.

Sadly the conclusion I came to was the Josh M was unlikely to make it back into the top 500. He has a lot of points to defend during the rest of the year. He only has 35 points YTD and so would need to have a really good run somewhere to get back in there.

Almost more hopeful that Oli makes a swift recovery and then goes and wins a Futures. I think that would be enough to see him top 500 at year end.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 1st of October 2013 03:46:32 PM

paulisi · Tennis legend

With Josh G playing in consecutive 10K's in the UK and Broady over in Israel for two consecutive weeks(usually weak events). There is a chance they can jump into the top 500 after week 42 points are added.
The bad news for Bob is that Oli will drop out, so would have to rely on Josh Milton and Neil Pauffley to get back in the top 500.

It might happen....

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

This theme seems to crop up in several threads but thought this was the best place.

So are we going to make 20 players in the top 500 at the end of the year ? This table is extracted from Steven's top 25 but ordered based on YTD points rather than rankings. It is accurate (I think) at time of posting with today's points all added. If I am bored, I will try and keep it up to date over the coming weeks.

	Name	YTD Points
1	Andy Murray	5805	Guaranteed top 500
2	Dan Evans	339
3	James Ward	278
4	Dan Cox	185
5	Ed Corrie	126
6	Marcus Willis	117
7	David Rice	111
8	Kyle Edmund	110
9	Ashley Hewitt	94
10	Alex Ward	87
11	Richard Gabb	87
12	Josh Goodall	79
13	Brydan Klein	71
14	Tom Farquharson	70
15	Dan Smethurst	66	So close
16	Jamie Baker	65	One farewell SF performance please
17	Alex Bogdanovic	57	Where fore art thou
18	Neil Pauffley	54	Thought he was running into form 2 weeks ago
19	Oli Golding	50	Get well soon
20	Liam Broady	49	Good luck in the Semi tomorrow
21	Josh Milton	41	Good luck in the QF tomorrow
22	Andrew Fitzpatrick	35	How about a comeback in your "off work" weeks
23	James Marselek	32	These guys need a late run
24	Josh Ward-Hibbert	32
25	Lewis Burton	24

The rankings at the moment require 68 points to get into the top 500 so we already have 14 guaranteed. If you look back 6 months to you will see that 60 points was then enough to qualify but the number has risen steadily since then. What a difference that has made. And given the number of futures tournaments going on late this year, the cut off could easily rise to 70 by the end of the year.

My gut feeling is that we are going to fall just short. But it has been fun following the prediction.

So in order not to let the excitement die away, I am going to predict that in 2014, we WILL get 20 players in the top 500.

Watch this space.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Thursday 17th of October 2013 08:27:18 PM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
"So in order not to let the excitement die away, I am going to predict that in 2014, we WILL get 20 players in the top 500."

Should do it easily.

For 2103: Broady/Smethurst will get there, very much down to Boggo, Oli if they are fit to play and Pauffley if he can find some decent form. I can see you being one short unless Josh Milton find some top form. I don't see anyone else picking up big points from the list below yet.

I actually have my worries about Dan S, despite the fact he is so close. Having gone out early this week, I note that he is not down to play in the next three weeks. (Seagull has kindly posted the Week 45 entries since my post above and no sign of Dan). That already takes us to mid November. Maybe he is going to dive into an off season training programme and not play again until next year.

There is no question he has the ability to get inside the threshold, it just depends upon his plans.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Thursday 17th of October 2013 04:31:19 PM

paulisi · Tennis legend

"So in order not to let the excitement die away, I am going to predict that in 2014, we WILL get 20 players in the top 500."

Should do it easily.

For 2103: Broady/Smethurst will get there, very much down to Boggo, Oli if they are fit to play and Pauffley if he can find some decent form. I can see you being one short unless Josh Milton find some top form. I don't see anyone else picking up big points from the list below yet.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Great table Bob !

I also think you're going to run up short for 2013 but it'll have been a valiant effort !

Although you can't have multiple goals, I think it's quite exciting how many are now making the top 400 i.e. although we haven;t had many new top 500-ers, all the ones from a couple of month's ago (Ash, Marcus, Dave, Richard are all now well into - or almost - the top 400).

Next year's a whole new thing. As we have only 3 of last year's top 10 still in the current top 10, does that mean our top ten next year will have 3/5/7 new players ? Obviously it's going to change a bit. Ash was nowhere 14 months ago. Nor Marcus. Maybe there are players in the 1000+ ready to make their move.

Salmon · Tennis legend

Cheers, Bob, and that's a pretty table!

I think you've been unlucky because you probably didn't realise that Baker would retire and Boggo would go into hibernation. Although you probably didn't expect Calvin to change his allegiance, either, so that has pulled one back.

steven · Tennis legend

Nice table, Bob, and it's about the right time to highlight this in that way, I think

Bob in Spain wrote:

The rankings at the moment require 68 points to get into the top 500 so we already have 14 guaranteed. If you look back 6 months to you will see that 60 points was then enough to qualify but the number has risen steadily since then. What a difference that has made. And given the number of futures tournaments going on late this year, the cut off could easily rise to 70 by the end of the year.

The rise in the number of points needed to get into the top 500 is mirrored by a big surge in the number of ranked players (not just in GB but worldwide) - at the end of 2012, there were 1985 players in the ATP singles rankings and there are now 2141, i.e. nearly 8% more.

The odd thing about this is that tournaments seemed to be unusually thin on the ground early in the year (Challengers, especially, but even Futures too) but since sometime around mid-year, there seem to have been much higher numbers of Futures every week (and decent numbers of Challengers most weeks) than I can remember in previous years.

The equivalent figures for players with WTA singles rankings are 1210 and 1251, i.e. also a rise but only a bit over 3%.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Strange thing about the table is that the original is a lot more "compact".

Tried to copy/paste from Excel and it lost all the formatting. However, when I copy/pasted from Excel into Word and then repeated the process from Word to here, it accepted (and somewhat stretched) the formatting.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, Steven, I had been thinking ( and almost commented before ) that tournaments seemed very much thinner on the ground early in the year, with some pretty tough seeding and entry criteria.

Hopefully we can have many more earlier on in future with basically a much more even spread.