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I think what is being missed is the massive impact not being vaccinated is having on the NHS. Teams are still working flat out & a drive to demonstrate recovery is limiting the resources available to areas that havent stopped.

Delayed presentations make problems so much harder to deal with needing increased time and resources, process becomes really inefficient when trying to give equity of access to anti-vaxers and COVID deniers who are often vulnerable people with very fixed views. It is absolutely clear to me that taking such a view can be catastrophic if you have another serious problem that needs addressing.

Vaccination regardless of your view is essential to protect the healthcare resources we have. Waiting lists are developing for everything including stuff that wont wait.

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The Omicron variant is in the UK - no surprise there no Wonder what the governments response to this will be? The triggering of Plan B (WFH, mask wearing and Covid passports)?

I am still coming across people who a) think the Corona pandemic is a myth or b) refuse to be vaccinated due to unsubstantiated fears 



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With the emergence of the Omicron variant ( and perhaps the already continuing high level of new cases? ) Boris has indeed announced compulsory mask wearing in shops and on public transport.

Apparently this is a proven simple and very useful measure that really helps control new cases.



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Which vaccine is most effective in protecting double vaccinated adults against Corona?

Corona numbers are high in my local area, in one class of 30 5 years olds, 22 were off due to positive Corona test!! Many double vaccinated colleagues have caught the virus. Which led to us having a discussion about the effectiveness of the different vaccines.

The general consensus from our small study population, was that double vaccinated adults who had the Moderna vaccine and caught Corona (confirmed by positive PCR test) were asymptomatic and had no idea they were even infected, whereas those who were vaccinated with AZ vaccine had various degrees of the typical Corona symptoms, but none very severe and no one was hospitalised. 

Wondering how widespread our observations on the Moderna vaccine are? I had the AZ vaccine and have not tested positive for Corona (weekly lateral flow),  but I have continued to wear a mask in public spaces and sanitise my hands. 

For the real science, please see links below:
Informative table comparing the effectiveness of all the vaccines against the Delta variant
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/17/which-vaccine-is-the-most-effective-against-the-delta-variant

Comparison of the vaccines
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

typos hmm



-- Edited by Elegant Point on Tuesday 30th of November 2021 08:59:59 PM

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Vaccines will just reduce the risk of serious illness, they generally don't stop you getting the virus

The new variants are more of a risk as the immune system will not recognise them, hence why you can catch covid multiple times and they are likely to be different variant.

This new variant seems highly contagious, but mild symptoms from all accounts. What we need is a new variant that is not very contagious and has mild symptoms. That way the virus will peter out naturally or turn into the common flu.

As for Boris - he is getting told by the treasury to get the pre Christmas tax revenues in, but the experts say refrain from gatherings, so he has gone halfway to appease both.

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paulisi wrote:

Vaccines will just reduce the risk of serious illness, they generally don't stop you getting the virus

The new variants are more of a risk as the immune system will not recognise them, hence why you can catch covid multiple times and they are likely to be different variant.

This new variant seems highly contagious, but mild symptoms from all accounts. What we need is a new variant that is not very contagious and has mild symptoms. That way the virus will peter out naturally or turn into the common flu.

As for Boris - he is getting told by the treasury to get the pre Christmas tax revenues in, but the experts say refrain from gatherings, so he has gone halfway to appease both.


 I think that is very misleading. 

Yes, some/quite a few people will still get the virus (especially those with immune problems so the vaccine never produced a good antibody response in the first place).

But all the Israeli data (excellent quality), as reported in the BMJ, as well as UK data US, and other decent sources, as per the Lancet and others, show that there is a far lower chance of even catching covid in the first place if you're properly vaccinated. (And, yes, a clearly far reduced rate of serious illness if you do catch it, as well).  

However, I agree, if the new variant is more contagious but less serious that would be excellent news - it should 'crowd' out the more nasty strains and, as as you say, leave us (finally) with something more resembling flu. 



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Indeed re the fact that generally people are very much less likely to catch covid if vaccinated!!

Yes, it would be very good if the new variant proves to be less serious whatever people's vaccination status.



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indiana wrote:

Indeed re the fact that generally people are very much less likely to catch covid if vaccinated!!

Yes, it would be very good if the new variant proves to be less serious whatever people's vaccination status.


It does look like the Omicron variant is no more dangerous than the Delta variant and more importantly perhaps, equally susceptible to the vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-most-omicron-cases-are-mild-and-theres-no-evidence-to-suggest-vaccines-may-be-less-effective-against-the-variant-says-who-12483729

Good news.



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With all the fuss about Omicron I remembered reading the following article back in September archive.ph/YLJB0

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You cant make it up..

Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey  said snogging under the mistletoe should be avoided with people you dont already know. 

Sajid Javid has added to the Christmas confusion, as he  told ITV News: People can snog who they wish 

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer earlier said: I dont think its the role of Government to dictate who people can kiss or not kiss, and I was quite surprised to see that suggestion come out of Government. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sajid-javid-snog-family-tradition_uk_61a92fc4e4b07fe20124f9f5



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In one of the more bizarre interpretations of the new restrictions policy, a Nº10 spokesperson confirmed in a lobby briefing today that you do not need to wear a mask in Tesco if you are singing.

Source Tom Newton Dunn

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1468926687287070735




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The table below says it all..

Table 1: The age-standardised mortality rate for deaths involving COVID-19 is 32 times higher for unvaccinated people than for those who received the second dose
Age-standardised mortality rates for all deaths and deaths involving COVID-19, England, deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021
 Age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 person-years 
(95% confidence interval)
Vaccination statusDeaths involving COVID-19All deaths
Unvaccinated849.7 (840.3, 859.2)2,187.1 (2,172.2, 2,202.0)
Received only the first dose, 
less than 21 days ago
192.4 (182.4, 202.4)811.9 (793.4, 830.4)
Received only the first dose, 
at least 21 days ago
105.3 (102.8, 107.8)1,124.3 (1,115.9, 1,132.7)
Received the second dose, 
less than 21 days ago
7.2 (6.1, 8.2)464.6 (455.8, 473.4)
Received the second dose, 
at least 21 days ago
26.2 (25.4, 27.1)783.6 (779.1, 788.0)



https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021



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So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?

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christ wrote:

So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?


 Could be smile

Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses. 

(Ducks for cover.......biggrin)



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Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:

So the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have received their second dose less than 21 days ago is 457.4 per 100,000, while the unrelated-to-covid mortality rate of people that have not been vaccinated is 1,330.4.

Does this mean that vaccination saves you from falling under buses?


 Could be smile

Smarter people have the vaccine. Smarter people don't fall under buses. 

(Ducks for cover.......biggrin)


 I think you've hit the nail on the head.



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