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RE: British Tour 2018


Coup Droit wrote:
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Couple of matches of note
Summer Yardley beat Joko2 6-1 7-5 Close second set
Kira Reuter retired after one set


I know Kira's had injury problems.

But just seen her US college application video on Sarah Borwell's site and it's one of the best/most promising ones I've seen in a while.

(She's also 5 ft 11, with a perfect physique for tennis). 

Do hope she's over the injuries soon - and good luck - there's some good tennis stuff going on there !

 


 I agree. I saw the video and thought that, with some development, Kira has a promising game. I especially liked her ability to go for the killer shot cross court and deep.



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Yes, I compared it to JoJo Bach's one - who's a girl I know a little as she's been in France for ages - and JoJo is very solid, well trained, but doesn't really have the same weight of shot as Kira. As you say, Kira has good penetration and, unlike some, it didn't seem to be a swing and a prayer sort of attack - it looked well ingrained/learned/technically pretty good. And athletic too (as is JoJo too).

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Babfive wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
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Couple of matches of note
Summer Yardley beat Joko2 6-1 7-5 Close second set
Kira Reuter retired after one set


I know Kira's had injury problems.

But just seen her US college application video on Sarah Borwell's site and it's one of the best/most promising ones I've seen in a while.

(She's also 5 ft 11, with a perfect physique for tennis). 

Do hope she's over the injuries soon - and good luck - there's some good tennis stuff going on there !

 


 I agree. I saw the video and thought that, with some development, Kira has a promising game. I especially liked her ability to go for the killer shot cross court and deep.


Well, I wish someone would just get Kira off the court now, and keep her off until she is fully over whatever injury she has. She's retired 4-5 times this season so far, and I think every week for the last three. That's not going to help her in any way at all to keep doing that. 



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Kira's not playing in the event at Bolton this week.
Summer Yardley and Olivia Peet are the top seeds.

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At Bolton, the final will be:

Maria Budin v Indy Spink


Sasha Hill and Grace Piper lost out in the semis

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Michael D wrote:

Whatever issues Kira has, she should try and sort them out. She must have run up a record number of retireds already this year. However, since she also retired last week good to see Summer seems fitter this week, even if just 1 match so far.


 Wow, fairly sure shes trying pretty hard. This is normally a decent message board but thats a really low thing to say. 



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Kenneth wrote:
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Whatever issues Kira has, she should try and sort them out. She must have run up a record number of retireds already this year. However, since she also retired last week good to see Summer seems fitter this week, even if just 1 match so far.


 Wow, fairly sure shes trying pretty hard. This is normally a decent message board but thats a really low thing to say. 


No, it's not a low thing to say; I'm not sure why you would say that, but I think you misunderstand me completely. I am sure that Kira is trying hard, and its clear that she has considerable potential. But it is also the case at times that when you really are keen that you carry a low grade injury for some time and it keeps reoccurring, instead of giving the rest that is necessary to allow it to recover fully. 

Just for the record, Kira has played in 6 tournaments so far this year, and she has won 2 and retired in all 4 others. She played 3 in Dec and Jan, won the first, then retired in the next two. She then sat out one month, and returned in mid-Feb, and retired in that tournament. She then returned 3 weeks later, won that tournament, then played again the next week and retired again. If you go back a bit further, Kira also retired in another British Tour event in mid-October. She entered the following week's British Tour event again, but gave a walkover without playing. 

Summer also retired two weeks a row in mid March. The first week she retired playing Kira in the final; second week both she and Kira retired the same tournament. Summer was entered again this week but did not play. Summer also retired in the last British Tour event she played before then in mid-December. So Summer was attempting a come back after 3 months out, but unfortunately hasn't fully recovered, or has picked up something else.

Both Kira and Summer appear to have considerable potential and I really do hope they can continue to realise it. But injuries at their ages - both are born in 2000, Summer is 18 and Kira is 17, can be really worrying if they linger and they don't fully recover from them. We have lost other players that way. So, my earlier comment might have been phrased differently, but no it was not a low comment, just expressed only out of concern for Kira and her future, for which I really wish her well. The same applies to Summer, and I'm sorry the three month break doesn't seem to have been sufficient for her yet.  

 



-- Edited by Michael D on Saturday 31st of March 2018 12:49:21 AM

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It had never crossed my mind that there was anything other than concern for Kira and Summer, Michael, and I actually reread your posts following Kenneth's post but had left it for you.

Whether you are right with your thoughts and as you actually say stronger later ( but still I took only as concern ) that "I wish that someone would just get Kira off the court now, and keep her off until ..." we perhaps don't know for sure without knowing the issues. But the wording looked fine to me.

I thought I could see where you were coming from and indeed that was essentially as you have now put in more detail.



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Yes, I read them the same.

Of course no one is saying Kira's not trying to sort out her injuries. And no one's claiming to know what's going on on the inside (unless they actually claim to know what's goin on on the inside). She might have been injured one time, had the flu the next, and upset coz her great grandma had just died the third - we don't know.

But I read Michael's comments to just be concerned about her number of retirements and hoping - if injuries, which is the most likely - that she's treating them seriously as opposed to maybe trying to play through them (which entering a lot of tournaments and then retiring each time could - could - imply).


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It had never crossed my mind that there was anything other than concern for Kira and Summer, Michael, and I actually reread your posts following Kenneth's post but had left it for you.

Whether you are right with your thoughts and as you actually say stronger later ( but still I took only as concern ) that "I wish that someone would just get Kira off the court now, and keep her off until ..." we perhaps don't know for sure without knowing the issues. But the wording looked fine to me.

I thought I could see where you were coming from and indeed that was essentially as you have now put in more detail.


Thanks Indy (and CD). Yes the wording could have been better, I acknowledge.

There was also something else at the back of my mind. Blob did an analysis some time back, I'm not sure where, that looked at how many retirements Brit players had last year. And I think across a whole year 4x was the most any player had retired, including someone like Mandy C that has had a serious injury requiring surgery, and still hasn't been able to come back yet. So Kira retiring 4x in 3 months, rang a lot of alarm bells for me. I've seen the aforementioned video of her on Sarah Borwell's site too, and she is a solidly striking, strong player, who seems well rounded in her play, and I hope she gets into a good US college team. But niggling injuries in teens are worrying - Eleanor Dean - and its an age when impatience is natural. Look forward to seeing her back, fully fit, soon. 



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And back on the tennis, this week's Bolton winner is Maria Budin, another 2000 17 yr old, who wins 6-3 6-4 over Indi Spink, a female version of our Indy (full name Indianna Spink) smile and who is just 15. Good to see both doing well this week.



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Just to add that I didn't read anything low or offensive in your comment either Michael.  Just saw it as a wish that she didn't play for her own benefit until fully fit (which her retirement record suggests she is not).  I can only assume Kenneth completely misread or divined some unintended meaning in it.  He normally posts in the junior and US college sections and does not seem one to take offence easily and posts very thoughtfully.  Hopefully your detailed explanation helps reassure him we are still a decent forum!

As CD says, the retirements could have been for a number of differing reasons and not for one ongoing injury.  Equally, there are a number of growth related conditions for juniors that can ebb and flow over a couple of years and for which it is not necessary to sit out completely but which rather require management - reduced training, retiring the moment there is any ache or pain in the related area.  I don't know Kira at all but her pattern of play / retirement in my mind fits this latter scenario.  Either way, I hope she is careful as it is so easy to inflict lasting damage on a growing body.



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Yes, just a misunderstanding although not intended I read it the same way as Kenneth but just thought what Michael actually means is..... having seen the vast majority of Michael's posts which like Kenneth's are sane and emotionally inteligent  and therefore did not have commented. I think it is a bit more difficult if your own children play on the British tour or in College tennis and you may actually know all the players concerned well and their specific issues.



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:39:45 AM



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:40:40 AM

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Oakland2002 wrote:

Yes, just a misunderstanding although not intended I read it the same way as Kenneth but just thought what Michael actually means is..... having seen the vast majority of Michael's posts which like Kenneth's are sane and emotionally inteligent  and therefore did not have commented. I think it is a bit more difficult if your own children play on the British tour or in College tennis and you may actually know all the players concerned well and their specific issues.


Yes, thanks Oakland, and indeed everyone else. A salutary lesson to try and understand background before making too much of a comment on something, or to otherwise desist. Wishing all concerned well. 



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Actually my own view would be that this forum would be a little poorer place if people like yourself, Michael, didn't say what you frankly thought at certain times, as established here without any sort of ill intent, and I still honestly just can't at all read it in such a way.

If we pick up on something wrongly there is quite often someone else to add something that clarifies things and we have all learnt a little more.

Probably we should take more care in general the younger the player but again here I felt only came out of concern and in part because we were talking about a younger player.

We could be just a match discussion, results and stats forum and never get involved in comment on such as form and schedules in case there was something we were missing and/or for fear of unintentially causing offence. But please no ...



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