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Without being mean, MJ sort of snuck in because she played a suite of pretty weak tournaments back in April and May in Africa (they didn't have a full draw, she had a BYE in R1 each time, and the level was very patchy).

But, yes, it's an interesting list at the moment.
Interesting, also, that there are practically no Jan and early Feb birthdays in that list. If you do the way lots of federations do, as an exercise, and reconfigure the list taking July 1st as the year start date, it's not particularly significant.

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Well at least she has plenty of time on her side to fully test herself at U18 level.

The sample is too small to be of any value but Unusual in that a number of our top players are January birthdays Kyle, Laura Robson and Luke Bambridge come to mind immediately Jamie Murray is a February.

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If a lot of our current top players are Jan/Feb birthdays but a lot of our new crop aren't, that's got to be largely credit to the LTA.

It's been a problem for federations everywhere, the way resources are concentrated on results, and results that are based on calendar year systems obviously heavily favour those born early in the year, especially at the very young end of the spectrum, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, a vicious circle if you will.

A lot of money and focus has gone into changing it at various federations in Europe.

I think it's a very positive sign that neither our girls nor boys show any sign of it now.

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I don't know if birth date is that relevant to top 100 players, generally they are very precocious and playing 2 to 3 years above their age groups from a very early age.

The originally data came from Canadian junior Ice Hockey players transitioning to the pros, small country 30 million ish contributing about 46% of the players to the NHL which now has 31 franchises all with about 50 contracted players and many more in the highest level minor league pro contract e.g. The AHL, which is an amazing standard, no British player has ever been good enough to play in the NHL, Eoin Hand a Durham Wasp and British Ice Hockey legend had a go and. Stalled in a he AHL. So you are talking a small population generating 1500 players where size and power are valuable assets at junior level.

In contrast there are 150 elite tennis players sourced from all round the globe where the sport is so technical that natural athleticism can be mitigated against by personal wealth. I think timing of birthdays is probably less of an issue for the very best players.



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Saturday 29th of July 2017 04:33:26 AM

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Maybe the very best will be fine whatever.

But the research in France found that birth date was very relevant to the elite youngsters, even if they are playing up several years (which obviously they are).

Because funding and help is largely based, at age 8 say, on their ranking for their age. So the Jan ones get all the help. And the notice. And the attention of the press. And the feeling of success. So they love tennis the more. And the virtuous circle of being a successful and selected youngster continues.

The successful late-year birthday kids that did well were almost exclusively those who were coached more by parents than by the federation (for obvious reasons).

NB This has been, for the most part, changed now. But it was very marked until 2006-7 say, and still noticeable right up to 2012 when I left.

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I am pretty sure just a few years ago our top juniors were very age weighted to early in the year birthdays so if that was the case it is indeed great that that has so changed.

I think I may have posted about it and that it went well beyond just a few like Edmund, Bambridge, Broady, which might have been argued as just chance or they were so good.

Indeed I believe this to an extent flowed into seniors at the time as well so it appeared that the early built-in advantages were never overall being reeled back. Maybe some potential real talents were totally lost to tennis.



-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 16th of July 2017 07:25:53 PM

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Aidan leapfrogs Barnaby to be the top ranked British boy (just), and George L takes a big jump towards the top 100. Lots of movement in the lower ranks too thanks to the Scottish G5:

Boys

Top 100 players and main upward movers:

17/07/2017

Aidan McHugh ('00) +14 at JWR 62
Barnaby Smith ('99) -1 to JWR 63
Jack Draper (Dec. '01) +3 at JWR 85
Max Stewart ('99) +2 to JWR 99

Finn Bass ('99) +7 to JWR 104
George Loffhagen ('01) +56 to JWR 120
Hamish Stewart ('99) +13 to JWR 181
Ewen Lumsden ('00) +18 to JWR 193

James Story ('01) +161 to JWR 534
Tad MacLean ('00) +143 to JWR 561
Aaron Hepburn ('00) +115 to JWR 865
Rahul Dhokia ('00) +88 to JWR 931

Peter Alam ('02) +19 to JWR 1021
Barney Fitzpatrick ('02) +183 to JWR 1056
Finn Murgett ('01) +121 to JWR 1157
David Quayle ('00) +24 to JWR 1163
Alex Maggs ('01) +99 to JWR 1243
Connor Thomson ('01) +573 to JWR 1316
Sam Bossem ('02) +81 to JWR 1354
Euan Lynes ('00) +29 to JWR 1466
Jake Penny ('99) - NEW IN at JWR 1543
Derrick Chen ('03) +310 to JWR 1579
Vincent Chen ('00) +43 to JWR 1846
Felix Gill ('02) - NEW IN at JWR 1846
Harry Lazell ('03) - NEW IN at JWR 1909
Joel Pierleoni ('03) - NEW IN at JWR 1909
Ross Martin ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 2036



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Girls

Top 100 players and main upward movers:

17/07/2017

Emily Appleton ('99) -5 at JWR 17 (WTA 843)
Francesca Jones ('00) -1 at JWR 41 (WTA 1103)
Ali Collins ('00) +1 to JWR 77
(Jodie Burrage ('99) -23 to JWR 131 (WR 891)

Katie Swan ('99) +240 to JWR 211 (WTA 358)
Esther Adeshina ('01) +7 to JWR 249
Anna Loughlan ('00) +5 to JWR 256

Holly Staff ('02) +124 to JWR 531
Erika Batista Dodridge ('01) +45 to JWR 539
Millie Bissett ('03) +46 to JWR 712
Aleksandra Topalovic ('00) +94 to JWR 916
Charlotte Navin-Weinstein ('01) +117 to JWR 971

Annali Olivelle ('02) +73 to JWR 1060
Sonay Kartal ('01) +392 to JWR 1089
Elisa van Meeteren ('01) +634 to JWR 1405
Bella Moen ('02) +23 to JWR 1463
Danielle Daley ('00) +24 to JWR 1470
Lily Hutchings ('03) - NEW IN at JWR 1594
Kiana Mokhtari ('01) +19 to JWR 1623
Isabelle Marshall ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 1695
Victoria Subev ('02) +240 to JWR 1799
Charlotte Russell ('02) - NEW IN at JWR 1862
Monica Raviraj ('02) - NEW IN at JWR 2027
Lauren Armstrong ('01) +64 to JWR 2236
Tiana Fox ('03) +64 to JWR 2236
Milly Wood ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 2439


Grace Eland ('01) +180 to JWR 2234

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Important moves for Aidan and, in particular, young George Loffhagen who, born in April 2001, leaps into the top 100 and becomes our highest ranked 2001-er. Congrats to the little faves And Jack P-Jones becomes our fourth 2003-er to get a ranking so congrats to him too.

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Top 100 players and main upward movers:

24/07/2017

Aidan McHugh ('00) +8 at JWR 54 (WR 1864)
Barnaby Smith ('99) +1 to JWR 62
George Loffhagen ('01) +48 to JWR 72
Jack Draper (Dec. '01) -9 at JWR 94

Emile Hudd ('00) +29 to JWR 191
Jake Hersey ('00) +13 to JWR 278
Harry Butler ('00) +38 to JWR 434
Josh Wilson ('00) +39 to JWR 462
Tad Maclean ('00) +52 to JWR 509
Jacob Fearnley ('01) +107 to JWR 543
Andy Rozanov +18 to JWR 558
Oscar Weightman ('01) +146 to JWR 618
Aaron Hepburn ('00) +185 to JWR 680
Oliver Okonkwo ('00) +174 to JWR 861
Kai Maxted ('00) +183 to JWR 875
Connor Thomson ('01) +421 to JWR 895
Rahul Dhokia ('00) +35 to JWR 896
Dave Quayle ('00) +258 to JWR 905
Ed Pudney ('00) +229 to JWR 1070
Finn Murgett ('01) +75 to JWR 1082
Alex Maggs ('01) +57 to JWR 1186
Ben Heynold ('02) +407 to JWR 1353
Kyle Stocker ('00) +315 to JWR 1485
Toby Samuel ('02) +667 to JWR 1599
Jack Pinnington Jones ('03) - NEW IN at JWR 1654
Matt Clegg ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 2119
Dan Martin ('01) - NEW IN at JWR 2178
Matt Walton ('99) - NEW IN at JWR 2328






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Talented ball-striker, Gemma Heath, born 2001, is now knocking on the door of the top 100. Other good rises, too, for many of the other young players:

Girls

Top 100 players and main upward movers:

24/07/2017

Emily Appleton ('99) = at JWR 17 (WTA 849)
Francesca Jones ('00) +1 at JWR 40 (WTA 1111)
Ali Collins ('00) -2 to JWR 79

Gemma Heath ('01) +48 to JWR 107
Esther Adeshina ('01) +47 to JWR 202
Anna Loughlan ('00) +12 to JWR 244
Destinee Martins ('01) +52 to JWR 312
Sasha Hill ('01) +55 to JWR 423
Maria Budin ('00) +121 to JWR 443
MJ Changwereza ('03) +24 to JWR 451
Hannah McColgan ('00) +100 to JWR 562
Tiegan Aitken ('01) +25 to JWR 625
Millie Bisset ('03) +63 to JWR 649
Erin Richardson ('01) +137 to JWR 686
Aleksandra Topalovic ('00) +89 to JWR 827
Annali Olivelle ('02) +28 to JWR 1032
Bella Moen ('02) +409 to JWR 1054
Millie Devey Smith +105 to JWR 1091
Tanisha Dissanayake ('01) +291 to JWR 1125
Charlotte Russell ('02) +676 to JWR 1186
Elisa van Meeteren ('01) +70 to JWR 1335
Isabelle Marshall ('00) +328 to JWR 1367
Victoria Subev ('02) +226 to JWR 1573
Eve Daniels ('01) +657 to JWR 1643
Eloise Saraty ('01) +30 to JWR 1903
Alice Thane ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 2327





-- Edited by Coup Droit on Friday 28th of July 2017 09:25:48 PM

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George is into the top 4 ranked of these born 2001 or later. #5 and #6 are 2002 born.

Overall top 100 positions, month of birth and points ( from how many singles plus doubles events ) :

30. Timofey Skatov (RUS) 01/01 590.00 (31)
41. Chin Hsin Tseng (TPE) 08/01 523.13 (32)
70. Thiago Augustin Tirante (ARG) 04/01 381.25 (24)
72. George Loffhagen (GBR) 04/01 378.25 (25)
78. Delibor Syrcina (CZE) 10/02 372.50 (32)
91. Lorenzo Musetti (ITA) 03/02 338.75 (29)
94. Jack Draper (GBR) 12/01 337.50 (24)
98. Matheus Pucinelli De Almeida (BRA) 05/01 330.40 (40)

And 14th on the list :
128. Anton Matusevich (GBR) 05/01 291.25 (23)

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Re the girls 2001 born or later unsurprisingly there are many more in their top 100. 27 born 2001 ( including #2 and #3 ) and 9 born 2002, as opposed to 6 and 2 respectively for the guys.

Gemma Heath (08/01), at now JWR 107, is currently 40th of these born 2001 or later.

Incidentally, Holly Fischer (03/03), at JWR 192, is first of these born 2003, though that is such early days in junior ITFs.



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Interesting to see George, Jack and Anton have played fewer events than most of the other highly ranked 2001/2 cohort.

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Sizeable jumps for some of our younger players thanks, once again, to Ireland:

Girls

Top 100 players and main upward movers (plus juniors with WTA ranking):

31/07/2017

Emily Appleton ('99) -2 at JWR 19 (WTA 846)
Francesca Jones ('00) +1 at JWR 39 (WTA 1106)
Ali Collins ('00) = at JWR 79

(Jodie Burrage ('99) JWR +1 to 143, WTA 891)
(Katie Swan ('99) JWR +1 to 214, WTA 365)

Eliz Maloney ('00) +3 to JWR 130
Erin Richardson ('01) +218 to JWR 468
Erika Batista Dodridge ('01) +13 to JWR 537
Elisa van Meeteren ('01) +384 to JWR 951
Victoria Subev ('02) +366 to JWR 1207
Monica Raviraj ('02) +322 to JWR 1729
Tiana Fox ('03) +361 to JWR 1899
Alice Thane ('00) +54 to JWR 2273

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Boys

Top 100 players and main upward movers:

31/07/2017

Aidan McHugh ('00) -1 at JWR 55 (ATP 1867)
Barnaby Smith ('99) -2 to JWR 64
George Loffhagen ('01) -1 to JWR 73
Jack Draper (Dec. '01) -1 at JWR 95

(Josh Rose JWR 300, ATP 1775)
(Alex Parker JWR 506 ATP 1676)

Tad Maclean ('00) +18 to JWR 491
Oscar Weightman ('01) +57 to JWR 561
Aaron Hepburn ('00) +105 to JWR 575
Bradley Buckland ('00) +242 to JWR 666
Connor Thomson ('01) +165 to JWR 730
David Quayle ('00) +91 to JWR 814
Finn Murgett ('01) +150 to JWR 932
Euan Lynes ('00) +36 to JWR 1449
Matt Clegg ('00) +621 to JWR 1498
Arran Trainor ('01) +102 to JWR 1552


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