Well I guess it's time we checked out how Andy's ranking might be affected by the action in week 1. Here's the table of the players around Andy's position (C)GC77.
Running Start of week Running So 18th Def1 19thRank rank name points Points Far Result Result10 10 Fernando Gonzalez 2015 2015 out 55 5011 12 Marcos Baghdatis 1860 1860 60D-out 20 60 1512 11 Tommy Haas 1890 1855 out 100 110 7513 13 Tomas Berdych 1705 1655 out 55 75 2514 16 Novak Djokovic 1380 1530 175A 25 1515 17 Andy Murray 1370 1505 175D 40 1516 14 David Ferrer 1475 1475 out 25 2017 15 Jarkko Nieminen 1460 1460 out 75 7518 18 Richard Gasquet 1365 1385 40A-out 20 1519 20 Lleyton Hewitt 1315 1315 20A-out 40 520 19 Radek Stepanek 1340 1285 20A-out 15 75 1521 22 Dmitry Tursunov 1190 1190 out 80 6022 21 Dominik Hrbaty 1238 1183 0A-out 40 75 2023 25 Robin Soderling 1028 1083 110D-out 55 4024 23 Juan Carlos Ferrero 1080 1080 out 5 525 24 Mikhail Youzhny 1075 1075 60D-out 15 60 8
Running Start of week Running So 18th Def1 19th
Doha (D) 250 175 110 60 25 0 (10) Chennai (C ) 175 120 75 40 15 0 (5) Adelaide(A) 175 120 75 40 rr20 ko10 1r0 (5)
Players in Bold are in action in week 1
Players in italics have advanced ranking places on Sunday..
Underlined Players were knocked out on Saturday.
Well, that's how things stand right now. I'd expect a few players to withdraw, and maybe one to get a wildcard into a draw......
Stepanek, Hrbaty and Youzhny all drop ranking places because of points they are defending from 2006.
Also, please note that the ranking points for 2007 competitions don't seem to have been formally published. I gather that Adelaide round 1 losers don't get any points, nor do those who go out without winning a match in the Round Robin group, who didn't go through the knockout round.
Whether round 1 losers get points in Dubai or Chennai isn't clear. So I've assumed they get 5 as they did in 2006. None of the players in Andy's table woud have any use for a measly 5 points anyway.
I expect Bethan will be doing the in- depth analysis at some point over the next few weeks, so in the meantime, I'll just say that Andy can rise to 14th if he makes the final, and that Gasquet, Hewitt and Stepanek can all overtake him if they win in Adelaide.
In depth will come probably by the end of the week, my table is all set up so it's just a case of finding the time to sit down and type....
It's looking good for Andy though provided he can do well this first week.
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Madeline wrote: Rob, my reading of the RR format explanation is that ALL tournaments will not give points to first round losers."The last important aspect with regards to points is that players who lose in the knockout stage or player s who do not win round robin matches will not earn any points. That is in line with the new ATP ranking procedure of not giving points to first round losers at all the other events. Only wins will give players points"I confess I don't understand this. If losers get no points and winners get second round points, then nobody gets first round points???
My reading of it is:
Roound 1 Adelaide: Del Potro beats Spadea (sorry Vince!) Del Potro gets 10 points, Spadea gets 0
Round- Robin round: Del Potro vs Djokovic & Clement. Djoko wins both his matches, and Del Potro beats Clement. Djoko gets 40 for reaching the quarters. Clement gets 0, Del Potro gets another 20 for winning his game against Clement, and goes out with 30 points in the bag.
- does that make sense?
Madeline wrote: Dunno. I am totally confused. (so what is new)
Drew wrote: Here is the thread...does it help ?http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=61841&p=3&topicID=9423134
I think it's the same thing that's been posted on steveg, and it certainly makes what happens in the Round- Robin events clear ("clear" being a relative term")
But I can't find anything that confirms what happens in the non- round- robin tournaments, such as Doha and Chennai, for first round losers. In 2006, they got 5 points. In 2007, I think they might not get any.
RedCabbage wrote: The good news is....I think I finally understand all the columns on that table! Took me long enough. Basically....Andy needs to get to the third round to get any points, but he can't lose anything. Right?
Welcome to the brotherhood! Yes, andy can't lose anything, and will only score more than his 18th result if he makes the quarters and picks up 60 points.
Meanwhile, Berdych is defending 55 points from last year, so these come off his total and his 19th result, a 15 replaces it, so he ends up losing 40 points.
It's all seems very strange. I guess the only thing we can do is go with whatever we believe to the right the first week and then work it out for the second week based on whether those going out first round get any points!!
Does anyone have any ATP contacts? Or is there an email address somewhere that we could ask them?